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What are your pet peeves re English usage?

 
 
keeylad
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jun, 2005 11:20 am
yer thx. sounds wonderful u living near The Lake Isle of Innisfree. i love yeats ive got a yeats/dylan fetish thing at the moment bioth of them just blow me away
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jun, 2005 11:21 am
It is certainly a place worth the cost and effort of the visit.
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Valpower
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jun, 2005 11:27 am
Keeylad like if you consider the function of like in casual speech to be that of a separator like like commas, semicolons, and parentheses like you might not find it so annoying.
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jun, 2005 01:31 pm
I don't know if a few misplaced "likes" would necessarily scupper an Oxford interview, but I suppose they wouldn't help.
But, other more acceptable modes of speech use other words and phrases in a similar way, phrases like "in a manner of speaking" and "so to say". They are the leaven in the dough (in my case, DOH!) which JTT will have more to say about, I confidently expect. And hope.
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Francis
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jun, 2005 01:36 pm
This likely ascertains me the use of like...
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keeylad
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jun, 2005 01:38 pm
well i hope i dont sink my chances with any likes but as u say i doubt that if they reject me it will solely because of that. Infact im quietly optimistic (well less so now i said i am) but we will have to see. I still find myself reeling with horror when it is used perhaps an overreaction to my own use.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jun, 2005 01:43 pm
Duuuuuuuude . . . like, its no big deal . . . 'k?
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keeylad
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jun, 2005 02:02 pm
well i do know that but it's "like" my whole life is dependent on getting in so i frett about everyminor detail.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jun, 2005 02:13 pm
Understood, Boss . . . i rather suspect that you'll do well if you apply yourself, though . . . and likely you will at some point in the near future wonder why you were so worried . . .

At all events, i wish you the best with your effort . . .
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keeylad
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jun, 2005 02:26 pm
Well thanks mate im sure i will look back and laugh. Thanks for the support only hope my grades and manner are acceptable for them arrrrrrrr................
ill be just fine im sure
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 06:49 am
keeylad wrote:
well i hope i dont sink my chances with any likes but as u say i doubt that if they reject me it will solely because of that. Infact im quietly optimistic (well less so now i said i am) but we will have to see. I still find myself reeling with horror when it is used perhaps an overreaction to my own use.


Keeylad,

I think you do yourself a disservice in believing that you're not bright enough to recognize the difference between a pub night and a formal interview.

I doubt whether you'd ever write your term papers at Oxford in the same way as your recent postings here. In the same fashion, I don't think you'll have any problem exercising the more formal aspects of your grammar in an interview.

Valpower described how all ENLs used discourse markers in speech and McTag pointed out how these vary according to register, social grouping, etc.

Trust your internal grammar; it shan't fail you.
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keeylad
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 12:17 pm
true i should be a lot more concerned about my actually knowlage. im just really conecting this to an interview to give some real backing to the convo to get people talking about how its infulencing our lauguage in obvious and damaging (to me at least) ways.
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Valpower
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 01:54 pm
JTT wrote:
Valpower described how all ENLs used discourse markers in speech...


Though, I must note that I do find it annoying (like, specifically). Below is a link to a paper discussing the use of two such markers, uh and um.

Listeners' uses of um and uh in speech comprehension

Introduction:
Quote:
Despite their frequency in conversational talk, little is known about how ums and uhs affect listeners'
on-line processing of spontaneous speech. Two studies of ums and uhs in English and Dutch reveal
that hearing an uh has a beneficial effect on listeners' ability to recognize words in upcoming
speech, but that hearing an um has neither a beneficial nor a detrimental effect. The results suggest that
um and uh are different from one another and support the hypothesis that uh is a signal of short upcoming
delay and um is a signal of a long upcoming delay.
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 02:23 pm
Link ineffective. I was like Wow! No way, man.
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keeylad
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 02:45 pm
yep doesnt work 4 me
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Valpower
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 02:49 pm
Fixed above. For convenience:
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/psocpubs/mrc/2001/00000029/00000002/art00014
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 02:49 pm
From a different source:
Quote:
Listeners' uses of um and uh in speech comprehension
Author: Fox Tree J. E.1

Source: Memory & Cognition, 1 March 2001, vol. 29, no. 2, pp. 320-326(7)

Publisher: Psychonomic Society Publications

Abstract:

Despite their frequency in conversational talk, little is known about how ums and uhs affect listeners' on-line processing of spontaneous speech. Two studies of ums and uhs in English and Dutch reveal that hearing an uh has a beneficial effect on listeners' ability to recognize words in upcoming speech, but that hearing an um has neither a beneficial nor a detrimental effect. The results suggest that um and uh are different from one another and support the hypothesis that uh is a signal of short upcoming delay and um is a signal of a long upcoming delay.
Language: English

Document Type: Research article

Affiliations: 1: University of California, Santa Cruz, California


This site offers two links to downloadable pdf-files.
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Clary
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 02:49 pm
Rest assured keeylad that you will not be the most likely to say like in the interview, since you are so aware of it; a fellow student of my son's, reading law at Oxford, had so many likes per sentence that I started laughing, thinking she must have done it on purpose.... good luck!
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keeylad
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 02:52 pm
well thank u clary i too plan to study law so fingers crossed that "everythings going to be alright"

Oh dear i have such a marly/yeats fetish sigh
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 02:55 pm
Forget it, Keeylad, Marley's dead, i have it on good authority . . .

Marley was dead: to begin with. There is no doubt whatever about that. The register of his burial was signed by the clergyman, the clerk, the undertaker, and the chief mourner. Scrooge signed it. And Scrooge's name was good upon 'Change, for anything he chose to put his hand to. Old Marley was as dead as a door-nail.
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