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What are your pet peeves re English usage?

 
 
McTag
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2005 11:33 am
Ending a sentence with a preposition? Tut, tut.

That is the sort of thing up with which we will not put, we few, we happy few.
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Piffka
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2005 11:34 am
McTag wrote:

Piffka wrote:

Does your son still have the knife?


No, he doesn't. He (now 22, he was about 6 then) has got my good gardening knife and he won't give it back. Well, he asked if he could keep it. And he lives in a flat (apartment).


I know what a flat is! And a six-year-old boy... not surprising the knife is missing. But a good gardening knife? Why does he need that in a flat?

Around here, the menfolk are very particular about their pocket knives and fuss with me because I don't carry one. I would, but I don't have pockets. Anyway, theirs are handy. Isn't that what men are for... to carry around tools that may be needed?
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Clary
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2005 11:42 am
Pfffff!
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2005 12:02 pm
Well I took that as a single entendre, being an innocent and trusting soul, until Clary's interjection. :wink:

Really, ladies.
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Piffka
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2005 12:05 pm
Whaaaaaaaaat????
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2005 12:07 pm
Lady, Miss Flyer . . . it's a term applied to polite, well-mannered and well-behaved women.
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2005 12:07 pm
Ok then, really, Clary.
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Clary
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2005 12:08 pm
Did I interject? Sorry ! Embarrassed
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Piffka
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2005 03:12 pm
<Sufficiently chastened, we begin again.>

So, Ms Sage, were you thinking of some other too/// --errrr, I mean, peeve?


Here's one. Wink You (and here I mean anyone of us) can't say the simplest thing without having a connotation of the three-letter sort attached. Name any three words and we could probably make them sound unladylike.
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McTag
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jun, 2005 12:34 am
This reminds me of a joke.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jun, 2005 01:21 am
Name any three words and we could probably make them sound unladylike.


song

leaf

silence
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jun, 2005 01:56 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
When people keep changing the rules on grammar, how the heck are we supposed to keep up?


It's not that the rules are changing, it's that the rules are finally being written, CI. Most of those abominations that you were, almost certainly exposed to in school are nothing but old wives tales, bits of folklore, canards, nonsense.

But not to worry; your intuitive grammar knows millions upon millions of real rules. You know rules of language that haven't even been described yet.

These are the ones that allow you to deploy your language with such ease. Language is much much more complex than people think.
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lesviolettes
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jun, 2005 09:25 am
How far can intuitive grammar lead one? (unless one already has a sound basis)
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jun, 2005 09:26 am
Into real big trouble. LOL
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jun, 2005 09:27 am
Ever attempt to read a legal document? LOL
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jun, 2005 09:28 am
How about the tax code of the US? No two expert tax accountants can come up with the same tax liability.
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lesviolettes
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jun, 2005 09:30 am
1. I agree with you
2. no never
3. aarrgghh
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jun, 2005 09:42 am
lesviolettes wrote:
How far can intuitive grammar lead one? (unless one already has a sound basis)


I'm not being rude, lesviolettes, but you've got this completely turned around. The sound basis that every native speaker has comes from intuitive grammar.

Quote:
S Pinker - The Language Instinct
The three-year old, then is a grammatical genius - master of most constructions, obeying rules far more often than flouting them, respecting language universals, erring in sensible adultlike ways, and avoiding many kinds of errors altogether.


CI is making the same erroneous assumptions. There are many things beyond the comprehension of us all. That doesn't mean we are lacking in knowledge wrt the underlying grammatical structures. It simply means that the subject matter is beyond us.
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lesviolettes
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jun, 2005 09:53 am
Hi, JTT!
I'm not talking about the natives'use/or not use of grammar -, I'm talking about the non-natives - I wasn't there when the thread started, sorry, I may not have done my homework...
To me the appellation of "intuitive grammar" clearly refers to one's personal instinct, not to whatever's been written previously.
I do think anybody needs some sound basis before venturing onto intuitive fields.
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Piffka
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jun, 2005 10:24 am
Joe Nation wrote:
Name any three words and we could probably make them sound unladylike.


song

leaf

silence


Song of Solomon

Leaf covering nakedness

Silence... errrr... silence after sex?

Very Happy
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