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What are your pet peeves re English usage?

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2005 08:34 am
Mr. Pope's Rape of the Lock, however, is good circumstantial evidence that he always had the fairer sex in mind . . .
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Piffka
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2005 08:43 am
Merry Andrew wrote:
I do sympathize with your peeve re: sexism in the language, Piff. However, I believe this is an emotional, rather than linguistic, peeve. When Alexander Pope said, "The proper study of mankind is man," I really don't think he meant to exclude womanhood.



I disagree. He's the fella who felt no compunction about writing this:

"Most Women have no Characters at all."

... and (thanks for reminding me, Set) when he wrote about Belinda, it was to note how shallow she was about her hair, costume & cosmetics.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2005 08:44 am
As opposed, Miss Flyer, of course, to the weighty pronouncements of a man with a guaranteed income from the consols, and no prospect of mere labor to cloud his future.
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Piffka
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2005 09:09 am
LOL -- Is that where he got his hoard then? Nobody would listen to a man who got his hands dirty in that century unless he talked of capabilities. I have no real quarrel with him -- he's dead and was miserable & conniving most of his life, I think.

What sort of character does that show?


I am trying mightily hard to be peeved about something... the only thing I can think of is dust and it hardly applies to this thread.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2005 09:12 am
What peeves the bejeebus outta me is the appallingly expressed opinions of the lunatic fringe, of the right and the left, which so often appear in these fora. However, this thread is despoiled sufficiently by the presence of the apostle of Pinker, we don't need to introduce politics herein.

I am always peeved by those who would attempt to impose an arbitrary uniformity in our speech . . . it is the great variety of expression which makes speech so entertaining . . .
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Piffka
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2005 09:25 am
We were chatting at a gathering last weekend about how shocked some folks were that the Pacific Northwestern speakers are now considered to have an accent. (Who, me?)

One person said, "But we have the purest speech in the country with no accent at all." I beamed at him and chuckled mightily to self.

I enjoy the variety, too, both of accent and usage. It may make communication slightly less clear but the entertainment value is immense. A well-taken confusion is usually no bad thing and can be jolly except, I suppose, in air traffic control.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2005 09:29 am
Even then it can be fun. There is a story, for which i cannot vouch, that a BOAC pilot in a holding pattern at Cologne was the subject of an exasperated question by an air traffic controller, who asked: "Haven't you ever been to Cologne before?" To which he is alleged to have replied: "Oh yes, dear fellow, several times in 1944 and 1945--but we didn't land."
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Piffka
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2005 09:39 am
LOL -- ouch!

I've heard 'most all the air traffic controllers (at least in THIS country) have southern accents as do most of the pilots. Even northern-raised pilots try to sound southern when speaking over the radio.
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McTag
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2005 09:49 am
I met a German geezer on holiday, a few years ago now, who had the same story to tell "Coventry, Liverpool, Birmingham, London" Oh, how we laughed.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2005 09:51 am
Its good that one can laugh these many years later, Boss . . . i rather suspect that it would be hard to get a rise out of you, and that you'd be no fun to try to bait . . .
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Piffka
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2005 10:26 am
McTag wrote:
I met a German geezer on holiday, a few years ago now, who had the same story to tell "Coventry, Liverpool, Birmingham, London" Oh, how we laughed.


Haha. It is good that we're not bombing each other anymore. Maybe some day (?) we'll joke with the Iraqis?
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Virago
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2005 10:47 am
Quote:
In that case, the expression "beating a dead horse" must have been coined by a married man . . .


Man must learn to be less aggressive. He shouldn't beat the horse. He must get in touch with is softer, gentler side. He must realize that he is an emotional being just like the horse, and he must learn to communicate with the horse. After all, he is sharing his life with the horse. He must understand the horse's feelings and respect them. The horse is… hey… wait a minute.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2005 11:00 am
If yer whip arm is gettin' tired, Miss Virago, i could spell ya for a while . . .
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Virago
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2005 11:18 am
Shoot, no. I could do this all day. Hand me my iced tea and that book over there, would you please?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2005 11:19 am
Certainly, Miss Virago . . . can i git you a baloney sammich?
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sylvie b
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2005 02:33 pm
thank you mctag,

i have asked an english boy, he will not tell me, he was all pink Sad i think it is something very rude!!

bisous
sylvie b
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Clary
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2005 03:02 pm
ask us anything about English, we promise not to go pink, and you will get many different opinions, sophie ma chère
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Piffka
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2005 03:05 pm
It's rude and an insult, Sylvie, made softer by being such a stupid thing to say. It came out in 2003 when Bush invaded Iraq and all the war-mongers were irate that France didn't join the coalition. There were many stupid things that were said and almost anything from the Simpson's is likely to be in that category. Another silly thing from that same era which you might have heard was a push by the Conservative Republicans (the rightwing party in the USA) to change the name of French fries (pomme frites) to Freedom Fries.

Calling anyone a monkey is rude. Saying they would surrender without a fight is also very rude and questions their courage, but there is no sexual connotation or anything like that. The cheese-eating part... well, that's just another funny-sounding adjective to describe the French. Silly too, because Americans eat plenty of cheese. Wink

Most Americans admire France and the French people but this horrible quagmire we were dragged into has created animosity for very bad reasons. Forgive us, please.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2005 03:17 pm
Voilà tous nos bisous à Sylvie . . .
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Piffka
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2005 03:48 pm
Sophie or Sylvie? I am confused.
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