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What are your pet peeves re English usage?

 
 
shepaints
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 07:04 am
hehehehehe!
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 07:25 am
kitchenpete wrote:
JTT

The "objectives" of this forum, if taken literally, would prevent the majority of threads from being started, let alone continued.

Of course this thread should exist in the English forum and we, the participants, are under no obligation to offer only those views of the various forms of the English language which are codified by ESL or any other official institute.

I am with Setanta on this point and on his assessment of the tone of the thread.

KP


Pete, I'm not saying, nor have I ever said, that people can't offer any old opinion that they want. I'm not telling anyone to stop offering their opinions. I've said often, let 'em fly.

That's Setanta's skewed desire and evidently, yours - can't say I'm completely shocked by this revelation. Setanta, oft-stating that this is a thread for free and open discussion, suggests what? that I should not offer mine. Confused

But, you'll be pleased to know that I fully support you in your support of Setanta on this one narrow issue.

I've said, time and again, and I'll say it once more, fire away with your opinions on language. But please be prepared to defend them. And when it comes to debating language, "I support Setanta" is not a defence.

ESL is not an official institute; ESL = English as a Second language. There is no official institute for English. There are, however, a large number of scientists studying the same. Why do so many here seem to have such an aversion to science?

Let the debates begin !!
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PhilAster
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 08:03 am
now i done get confused Sad

scientists studying the same - whazzat mean?

phil
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 02:14 pm
"the same" here means, the same subject we have been discussing.
Or more briefly, "... the same (thing)"
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 02:16 pm
Where's Thomas gone? You still looking after that canine? Hiya, buddy.

(if that's not too informal on these august pages)
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 02:21 pm
When you err, as inevitably you must, McT, fear not, our own self-appointed marshall of truth in language will gun you down on sight . . .
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PhilAster
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 03:37 pm
tx mctag Smile

but what i reallymean is this is science
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Blue isolates emission from very hot helium, which is located primarily close to the hot central star. Green represents ionized oxygen, which is located farther from the star. Red shows ionized nitrogen, which is radiated from the coolest gas, located farthest from the star.
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n this is english
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the boy stood on the burning deck
blah blah blah
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so whatthef. has science to do with it Sad

whaddya mean bout science jtt?

phil
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SCoates
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 05:45 pm
I'd like some feedback on a certain phrase.

"We should have run." As in, we should have run the article in this morning's news.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 05:47 pm
I really couldn't say . . . what was the subject of the article?
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SCoates
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 05:54 pm
Oh, the only reason I'm asking is I've been raised hearing the phrase all the time, and I just barely started to dissect the grammar, and it seems incorrect to say "I should have run" regardless of the usage, unless there is some rule I am unaware of.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 05:57 pm
I was just being obtuse--it was an act of self-amuse . . . i suggest that this is not a thread in which one seeks definitive answers, unless of course, our self-appointed Keeper of the Word is willing to enlighten you . . .
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 07:24 pm
I'm not sure I understand you question, SCoates. What's the difference between "We should have run" and "I should have run"? Grammatically, I mean. This is a case where the verb would be exactly the same whether the subject pronoun is singular or plural.
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 12:45 am
It seems okay to me. Could you explain, SCoates, what you think is wrong with it?
"Run" can be both transative and intransative.

I have noticed, when you (I) think a lot about a word or a phrase, it starts to seem a bit weird, even when there is nothing originally wrong with it.
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shepaints
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 04:04 am
another pet peeve...."I should have ran"
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 04:33 am
I sometimes think that verb forms are not well taught these days, or that insufficient emphasis is put on the subject--you see such errors all the time. I really do cringe inside when i hear it in someone's speech . . .
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 04:57 am
Setanta wrote:
I sometimes think that verb forms are not well taught these days, or that insufficient emphasis is put on the subject--you see such errors all the time. I really do cringe inside when i hear it in someone's speech . . .

As in, "what is most important in a sentence are subject and predicate"?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 06:06 am
That would be a good example . . . i have occassionally made such errors, i'm sure we all do. What i cringe at are the repeated examples which i hear in people's speech.
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 07:08 am
Quote:
No language has ever coined the phrase: 'As pretty as an airport'.
-- Douglas Adams, no doubt writing from somewhere near London - Heathrow


Earth hath not anything to show more fair
Than a port made just for machines of the air
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 07:41 am
McTag wrote:
Quote:
No language has ever coined the phrase: 'As pretty as an airport'.
-- Douglas Adams, no doubt writing from somewhere near London - Heathrow


Earth hath not anything to show more fair
Than a port made just for machines of the air

There! The English language just did it! What a pity that Douglas Adams cannot witness it anymore. <sigh>
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Clary
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 09:29 am
Koh Samui has a VERY pretty airport.

And apropos of the personal pronouns - how often does one hear "He gave them to you and I"? More times than "you and me", I bet
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