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What are your pet peeves re English usage?

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 02:32 pm
@spendius,
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How about gratify. Slake is hardly psychological. There's mollify too. Soothe.


Good suggestions, Spendi and some would work for different nuances.
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aidan
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 02:39 pm
@spendius,
Yeah - but it's about feeding an emptiness that's like an unquenched thirst and slake does sound great with rapacious.
He could also have used 'sate'- alluding to hunger.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 02:50 pm
@aidan,
Not to discount Spendi's offerings in the least, but yet another grand example of the genius found in users of the language.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 03:22 pm
@JTT,
It's an interesting point. The difference between an appetite and a desire. They are almost identical but usage generally favours appetite for bodily needs and desire for psychological habits which have, often, an insatiable aspect. One is born with appetites and learns desires.

I would anyway unless I was being careless. That is why revision and proof reading are necessary.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 05:29 pm

PET PEEVE:
It is annoying when people say that something happened
"within minutes" or "within seconds" without saying A FEW,
or without estimating the number of minutes or seconds,
if that number is conveniently available.

Logically, the first dinosaur was hatched within minutes ago
and within seconds ago; its just that many billions of seconds are involved.

It is logical to say the next century will begin within minutes,
in that it surely WILL, allowing enuf minutes.

This concept can only be expressed using correct logic
if the words A FEW are included in the sentence.

Failure to do so is stupid, and it shoud be exposed as such.





David
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 05:32 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Did you just invent this, Om, or do you actually have some real examples?
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 05:34 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
It is annoying when people say that something happened
"within minutes" or "within seconds" without saying A FEW,
or without estimating the number of minutes or seconds,
if that number is conveniently available.


No wonder you are on edge Dave if you find that annoying.

Quote:
Failure to do so is stupid, and it shoud be exposed as such.


Are you kidding. Exposing stupidity is a massive undertaking which no known society has ever had enough spare resources to undertake.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 05:36 pm
@JTT,
JTT, That's what we can say in parlance, he has a great imagination about the definition of times expressed.

It happened seconds ago or minutes ago usually means it was less than a quarter hour. Close enough for most people.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 05:43 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
It is annoying when people say that something happened
"within minutes" or "within seconds" without saying A FEW,
or without estimating the number of minutes or seconds,
if that number is conveniently available.


Quote:
No wonder you are on edge Dave if you find that annoying.

That sentence includes the FALSE
tacit assumption that I am "on edge".


Quote:
Failure to do so is stupid, and it shoud be exposed as such.


Quote:
Are you kidding.
Exposing stupidity is a massive undertaking which no known
society has ever had enough spare resources to undertake.

Nonsense; when someone commits the error
he shoud simply be confronted with it.

That 's enuf.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 05:45 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Annoyed is on edge in my estimation.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 05:46 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

JTT, That's what we can say in parlance, he has a great imagination about the definition of times expressed.

It happened seconds ago or minutes ago usually means it was less than a quarter hour.
Close enough for most people.

Close enough for most people who don 't mind
speaking illogically
. Thay shoud be held to account.
I will do so.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 05:47 pm
@spendius,
Maybe you need to be furious to be on edge. I don't. Annoyed is quite sufficient.
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 05:47 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Nonsense; when someone commits the error he shoud[sic] simply be confronted with it.


It would seem that only males commit this error.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 05:48 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Annoyed is on edge in my estimation.

DOING that causes annoyance,
in whose absence, the state of annoyance does not exist.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 05:51 pm
@cicerone imposter,
OmSig is just swatting at the bats in his belfry.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 06:00 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Come on Dave. You said you got annoyed at people doing things that most folk would pass of with a blank stare or a sympathetic shake of the head.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 06:12 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Come on Dave.
You said you got annoyed at people doing things that most folk
would pass of with a blank stare or a sympathetic shake of the head.

"THINGS" ? This is a thread on pet peeves.

I mentioned one pet peeve,
or 2 if u like qua "seconds" or "minutes".
I said that is annoying; I' ll stand by what I said.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 06:15 pm

Man rose to the top of the food chain
by the adroit use of logic. We shoud cultivate logic,
not adhere to and promote liberal deviations from logic,
including spoken expression.





David
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2009 06:39 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
liberal deviations from logic


Now there's some logic for you.
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aidan
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2009 12:13 am
@spendius,
Quote:
It's an interesting point. The difference between an appetite and a desire. They are almost identical but usage generally favours appetite for bodily needs and desire for psychological habits which have, often, an insatiable aspect. One is born with appetites and learns desires.

I would anyway unless I was being careless.
That is why revision and proof reading are necessary.


And/or prescriptive. Ha, ha, ha....
No seriously - I think I've always been intuitively anti-prescriptive in language - but I didn't know that's what I was until JTT put a name on it.
I LIKE the image of greed as an appetite and the physicality of the images of slaking or sating that urge better than I do the more 'correct' or prescriptive images of mollifying a desire.
I think NOT adhering to those very specific and narrow differentials is what makes a writer a more creative writer.

For instance, Mrs. Tan today asked why it is incorrect and not even acceptable idiomatically to say , 'A person's life is shining with opportunities'.

MA very correctly said that most people would say, 'a person's life is 'filled' with or 'fraught' with or 'full' of opportunities.

My first thought was, 'Hmmm, fraught with opportunities?' That seems a little counterintuitive. But then I thought - that's an interesting way to look at it or express it - as in, there are so many opportunities that it becomes a burden to choose.
And I have to say that of the four choices offered - I loved, 'A person's life is shining with opportunities' the most. I think it should become an accepted idiom- it's the most richly descriptive.

So maybe it's not lack of proofreading - maybe it's a personal preference and a conscious choice.

Slake and sate used with the concept of greed as an appetite give the sentence a muscularity and physicality that I find more interesting than soothing or mollifying the emotional.

Besides, I think slake is a great word - and you rarely ever hear it anymore.
 

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