Lib Dem British MP Castigates Israel

Advocate wrote:

See the linked material, which covers the 157 Jews massacred in Hebron in 1948.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killings_and_massacres_during_the_1948_Palestine_War

It does not. You're lying.

Frank, Advocate is lying, follow the link he's posted, there's nothing about Jews being massacred in Hebron in 1948.

Advocate tries to recreate history, but it backfires on him about 100% of the time.

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Re: izzythepush (Post 5268405)
izzythepush wrote:

Frank, Advocate is lying, follow the link he's posted, there's nothing about Jews being massacred in Hebron in 1948.

From the Wiki cite:

13 May 1948 Kfar Etzion, Hebron Civilians 157 Jews killed by the Arab armed forces[78][79]

but what can "we" expect when his history is so distorted?

Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5268493)
Now you try a lame attempt to disguise your hypocrisy, Frank. You're doing this to highlight your dishonesty, are you?

Advocate...that reminds me of a question I have asked of you several times.

A bit more detail, Christ it's like pulling teeth. And the story is not exactly the same as you span it surprise surprise. It was not every Jew living in Hebron, but a kibbutz that decided to fight. The massacre occured after three days of fighting, only after the kibbutz had realised their position was hopeless.

The Arab legion did not obey the Geneva Convention by killing the combatants, but that's very different from them turning up in Hebron and killing all the jewish inhabitants.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kfar_Etzion_massacre

The Pals killed all the Jews in Hebron and took over their homes and property.

The right of return is a universal right that is binding under international law, enjoyed by every people regardless of where they come from. The idea of universal rights is an ancient one, but one of its first international expressions is found in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR), which was proclaimed by the United Nations in 1948 "as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations". One of the core rights set out in the UDHR is the right of return. Article 13(b) of the UDHR states: "Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country." Palestinian refugees are entitled to this binding universal right, in the same way that all other refugees are, whether they come from Bosnia, Rwanda, South Africa or anywhere else.

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The Pals killed all the Jews in Hebron and took over their homes and property.

You do understand irony, don't you? Look at any map that shows the lands occupied by Palestinians in 1948 and in 2012.

Who's stealing the land?

The following URL has an article about Palestinians' right of return to Palestine/Israel. It's written by Mark LeVine, a Professor of History.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2011/09/2011922135540203743.html

This paragraph from the article says it all.

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The right of return is a universal right that is binding under international law, enjoyed by every people regardless of where they come from. The idea of universal rights is an ancient one, but one of its first international expressions is found in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR), which was proclaimed by the United Nations in 1948 "as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations". One of the core rights set out in the UDHR is the right of return. Article 13(b) of the UDHR states: "Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country." Palestinian refugees are entitled to this binding universal right, in the same way that all other refugees are, whether they come from Bosnia, Rwanda, South Africa or anywhere else.

Did you know that a quibble is dishonesty? The Pals killed all the Jews in Hebron and took over their homes and property.

Advocate wrote:

Did you know that a quibble is dishonesty? The Pals killed all the Jews in Hebron and took over their homes and property.

You're a fine one to talk about dishonesty. When I post a source it's completely relevant. You, however dealt in obfuscation from the outset, you deliberately referred to the Kfar Etzion massacre as the Hebron massacre. You did that deliberately to hide the true facts, you then tried to muddy the waters further it by posting a link to a general page on Arab Israeli deaths in 1948. Only when called a liar did you finally give the name Kfar Etzion, and even then I had to find its page and post it myself.

You didn't refer to it as the Kfar Etzion massacre in the first place, or post an link to the actual page because you didn't want anyone checking up on the facts, and you can't get much more dishonest than that. It's a cheap trick.

Notice the line item says "Hebron civilians." Quibble that away.