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Lib Dem British MP Castigates Israel

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2013 03:22 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Another excellent post, Finn. My regard for what you say is increasing considerably.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2013 03:24 pm
@Advocate,
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Re: Finn dAbuzz (Post 5253981)
Israelis have never targeted Pal civilians. The Pals have done this continuously, such as in their bombings of public buses, pizza and bingo parlors, etc. If any group acts like beasts, it is the Pals.


Not in your estimation, Advocate. But I wonder if the Palestinians would agree.

Why don't you get to my question, Advocate? Lots of food for thought in the answer to it.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2013 03:25 pm
@InfraBlue,
Good point, InfraBlue, and I agree.

Oppressing another people based on any form of grouping is wrong. It's called discrimination, and Jews haven't learned that lesson. They believe they are above the rules of equality - for whatever reasons.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2013 03:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Do you believe they are alone in believing that?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2013 03:47 pm
@georgeob1,
No, but it deserves exposure for what they are doing to Palestinians, because it's simply wrong.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2013 03:52 pm
@InfraBlue,
A dodge, and not a very skillful one, necessitated by your need to stay on your political course.

You've introduced hypocrisy into the discussion, not me.

You can't help yourself from defending the Palestinian slaughter of innocents.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2013 03:53 pm
@izzythepush,
What man is that?

You've mistaken me with some right-wing bogeyman who haunts your troubled liberal sleep.

And once again you've demonstrated a certain calcification of the thought process, brought on by a fervent desire to be seen as a shining warrior of The Righteous Horde of Leftist Thought.

I offered no value judgements, merely the observation that if one thinks that Jews, by virtue of their suffering, should embrace non-violence, it would be consistent, at least, to expect the same of Palestinians.

You're a dilettante revolutionary Izzy and luxuriate within the romantic notion of Palestinian Freedom Fighters.

Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2013 04:05 pm
@cicerone imposter,
There you go again... "Jews haven't learned that lesson."

It's encouraging to see that you can't seem to help yourself from revealing your vile attitude toward Jews.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2013 04:08 pm
@georgeob1,
I'm disappointed that you have fallen in step with CI.

Is it really necessary to point out that all Jews are not Israelis?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2013 04:14 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
No, you're the one dodging the real issue; more innocent Palestinians killed than innocent Jews.

Quote:
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — The Palestinian civilian death toll mounted Monday as Israeli aircraft struck densely populated areas in the Gaza Strip in a campaign to quell militant rocket fire menacing nearly half of Israel's population.

An overnight airstrike on two houses belonging to an extended clan in Gaza City killed two children and two adults, and injured 42 people, said Gaza heath official Ashraf al-Kidra.


If you bother to do a simple search on Palestinians vs Jews killed, you wouldn't be making such a foolish statement.
Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2013 07:01 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

No, you're the one dodging the real issue; more innocent Palestinians killed than innocent Jews.

Quote:
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — The Palestinian civilian death toll mounted Monday as Israeli aircraft struck densely populated areas in the Gaza Strip in a campaign to quell militant rocket fire menacing nearly half of Israel's population.

An overnight airstrike on two houses belonging to an extended clan in Gaza City killed two children and two adults, and injured 42 people, said Gaza heath official Ashraf al-Kidra.


If you bother to do a simple search on Palestinians vs Jews killed, you wouldn't be making such a foolish statement.


What a ridiculous post! In WWII, I am sure that we killed many more Germans that Germany did Americans. Does that mean we were in the wrong?
georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2013 07:03 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
What gave you that impression? Perhaps you should read more carefully.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2013 08:04 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
If someone dropped a 155 mm shell on your home and killed your wife and 4 kids your reaction would just be , oh well, **** happens?
the Isralies reaction is just as wrong as as the pals, and their excuses for their reaction is just as wrong headed. none of their politicians want peace nor are they working toward it.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2013 08:25 pm
@Advocate,
Wrong comparison. History is repleat with leaders killing their own citizens.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2013 09:33 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
You're a dilettante revolutionary Izzy and luxuriate within the romantic notion of Palestinian Freedom Fighters.


When someone resorts to name calling it's normally because they've run out of ideas. Your position about Palestinians embracing peace sounds very noble and high spirited, but it's made from a position of extreme ignorance. You need a healthy dose of realpolitik.

In the West Bank Fatah has eschewed violence and committed itself to peaceful dialogue, and the result is the accelerated construction of illegal settlements on occupied land. In Hebron far right settlers routinely assault Palestinians who are subject to daily intimidation, including being spat on while the IDF looks on impassively.

In Gaza, Hamas' armed struggle has brought Israel back to the negotiating table, and the siege has been lessened.

From this it's easy to surmise that peaceful protest does not affect Israel at all, it's only through armed struggle that you can achieve anything. I don't think this message is one either of us would condone, but after years of inertia and humiliation, Hamas' idealism looks like the only way to improve things.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2013 09:34 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
You've mistaken me with some right-wing bogeyman who haunts your troubled liberal sleep.


Don't call me a Liberal. I loathe Nick Clegg. I'm a Socialist.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2013 11:03 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:
You're a dilettante revolutionary Izzy and luxuriate within the romantic notion of Palestinian Freedom Fighters.


When someone resorts to name calling it's normally because they've run out of ideas. Your position about Palestinians embracing peace sounds very noble and high spirited, but it's made from a position of extreme ignorance. You need a healthy dose of realpolitik.

In the West Bank Fatah has eschewed violence and committed itself to peaceful dialogue, and the result is the accelerated construction of illegal settlements on occupied land. In Hebron far right settlers routinely assault Palestinians who are subject to daily intimidation, including being spat on while the IDF looks on impassively.


In Gaza, Hamas' armed struggle has brought Israel back to the negotiating table, and the siege has been lessened.

From this it's easy to surmise that peaceful protest does not affect Israel at all, it's only through armed struggle that you can achieve anything. I don't think this message is one either of us would condone, but after years of inertia and humiliation, Hamas' idealism looks like the only way to improve things.

Let's hear some truth on the above.

It is interesting that you refer to Hebron. At the birth of Israel, the Arabs there slaughtered all the Jews, who were long-time residents, living there.

The settlers would be happy to live in peace with their Arab neighbors. However, the lattered continuously attacked the settlers, who are forced to retaliate and defend themselves.

The real reason that Hamas finally negotiated with Israel is far different than the reason you give. After getting hit by about 10,000 rockets and missiles coming from Gaza, Israel invaded, killing a lot of Hamas fighters and doing damage. That is what brought Hamas to the negotiating table.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2013 11:10 am
@Advocate,
You wrote,
Quote:
However, the lattered continuously attacked the settlers, who are forced to retaliate and defend themselves.


When any one group steals land from others as "settlers," don't expect that the people who lost their land to remain silent.

You have no concept of ethics or legal issues of property.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2013 11:39 am
@cicerone imposter,
He is probebly an Isralie settler so he wouldent have.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2013 12:09 pm
@Advocate,
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At the birth of Israel...,


Hummm....I wonder if that has anything to do with the answer to my question that you are ducking.
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