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Lib Dem British MP Castigates Israel

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 28 Feb, 2013 09:16 pm
@Foofie,
Of coarse you don't; it would otherwise destroy your self-esteem!

You must have completely missed the Wiki article that says,
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"In a matter of seven months, five hundred and thirty one villages were destroyed and eleven urban neighborhoods emptied [...] The mass expulsion was accompanied by massacres, rape and [the] imprisonment of men [...] in labor camps for periods [of] over a year


Sure, stick around and get killed, raped or imprisoned. What a choice!
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 28 Feb, 2013 09:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
From Prezi.

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The Palestinian Exodus 1984
No description

by Kelsey Ivers on 28 February 2011 58

Occurred when approximately 725,000 Palestinian Arabs left, fled or were expelled from their homes, during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War and the Civil War that preceded it. The Palestinian Exodus 1948 "The reasons for this mass exodus....were and to some extent remain the subject of fundamental disagreement between Arabs and Israelis." He uses the words of UN mediator Bernadotte, who said that the Palestinians became refugees "in response to 'the hazards and strategy of the armed conflict' swirling around them." First Phase of the Exodus: December 1947-March 1948 Second Phase of the Exodus: April 1948 – June 1948 Third Phase of the Exodus: July–October 1948 Fourth Phase of the Exodus: October 1948 – March 1949 Occurred when approximately 725,000 Palestinian Arabs left, fled or were expelled from their homes, during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War and the Civil War that preceded it. This left abandoned, evacuated and destroyed Palestinian localities. The purpose of the Prevention of Infiltration law was to prevent Palestinians from returning to Israel, those who did so being regarded as infiltrators. The Palestinian Exodus of 1948 left Palestinians unable to return to their homes and this issue still continues today.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 1 Mar, 2013 11:03 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Harvard University professor Samuel P. Huntington stated in 2004 that:
“ Demographically, socially and culturally, the reconquista of the Southwest United States by Mexico is well under way. No other immigrant group in U.S. history has asserted or could assert a historical claim to U.S. territory. Mexicans and Mexican-Americans can and do make that claim.[1][2]

According to the United States Census Bureau, as of 2009 and 2010, six out of seven U.S. states with highest proportions of people of Mexican origin were in the Southwestern United States, including the seven modern-day states that used to be part of Mexico - California (30%), Arizona (25.9%), New Mexico (28.7%), Texas (31.6%), Nevada (20%), Colorado (15.1%), and Utah (9.4%).

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The Pals are requesting legal immigration to Israel for all Pals, even those who never lived in Israel.


And Israelis from across the globe, ones who have never lived in Palestine, are moving there.


That is how Israel is set up, which is Israel's right. It is a homeland for all Jews in the world.

The Pals can easily set up their own country were they willing to reach a reasonable settlement with Israel. This is unlikely because the various Muslim countries like using the Pals to foment strife with Israel and the Jews.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 1 Mar, 2013 11:12 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Of coarse you don't; it would otherwise destroy your self-esteem!

You must have completely missed the Wiki article that says,
Quote:
"In a matter of seven months, five hundred and thirty one villages were destroyed and eleven urban neighborhoods emptied [...] The mass expulsion was accompanied by massacres, rape and [the] imprisonment of men [...] in labor camps for periods [of] over a year


Sure, stick around and get killed, raped or imprisoned. What a choice!


The truth of the matter is that the Muslim forces flooded Israel with radio broadcasts urging the Pals to abandon their new country so as to make it easier for the invading forces to destroy Israel and its people.

BTW, the number of Pals abandoning Israel is very uncertain. The number was probably a lot less than the anti-Israel folks say it is.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 1 Mar, 2013 11:21 am
@Advocate,
You wrote,
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The truth of the matter is that the Muslim forces flooded Israel with radio broadcasts urging the Pals to abandon their new country so as to make it easier for the invading forces to destroy Israel and its people.

BTW, the number of Pals abandoning Israel is very uncertain. The number was probably a lot less than the anti-Israel folks say it is.


At the very least, provide some credible source to back up your opinion(s).

Your creative mind doesn't count for much.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 1 Mar, 2013 12:36 pm
@cicerone imposter,
It's a selective view of history that glosses over events like the Deir Yassin massacre.

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The Deir Yassin massacre took place on April 9, 1948, when around 120 fighters from the Irgun Zevai Leumi and Lohamei Herut Israel Zionist paramilitary groups attacked Deir Yassin near Jerusalem, a Palestinian-Arab village of roughly 600 people. The assault occurred as Jewish militia sought to relieve the blockade of Jerusalem by Palestinian forces during the civil war that preceded the end of British rule in Palestine.

Around 107 villagers were killed during and after the battle for the village, including women and children—some were shot, while others died when hand grenades were thrown into their homes. Several villagers were taken prisoner and may have been killed after being paraded through the streets of West Jerusalem, though accounts vary. Four of the attackers died, with around 35 injured. The killings were condemned by the leadership of the Haganah—the Jewish community's main paramilitary force—and by the area's two chief rabbis. The Jewish Agency for Israel sent Jordan's King Abdullah a letter of apology, which he rebuffed.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre
Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 1 Mar, 2013 03:04 pm
@izzythepush,
You and the rest of the Israel haters are so one-sided. Why don't you discuss the massacre of every Jew living in Hebron when Israel was formed?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 1 Mar, 2013 03:32 pm
@Advocate,
You're the one displaying hate with your deliberate choice of racist language.

Still not posting sources.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 1 Mar, 2013 03:41 pm
@Advocate,
"One sided?" We've been posting the casualties for Palestinians and Jews on these boards that "always" show an excess number of innocent Palestinians killed by Jews than the other way around.

That is "one-sided," but not by your kind of reckoning.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 2 Mar, 2013 04:11 am
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

Why don't you discuss the massacre of every Jew living in Hebron when Israel was formed?


This is a clear example of your inability to deal with reality. You've eagerly lapped up a load of half truths and downright lies. Try actually verifying the bullshit that you spout for once. A quick google of the phrase 'Hebron Massacre,' brings up this page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre

For a start this occured in 1929, before the formation of Israel, and is a consequence of riots. Sixty seven Jews tragically lost their lives, but "Many of the 435 Jews who survived were hidden by local Arab families." So 'every Jew living in Hebron' was not killed. There is a slight whisper of truth is your post, but it's nothing more than that. You've lied, deliberately or through neglect, about the central facts in your posting. This is the action of a propagandist, not someone remotely interested in the truth.

This riot should be condemned, as should all riots, but the reality is a far cry from the pseudohistory you're spouting. Also it needs to be viewed as the actions of a mob, not the systematic violence and brutality orchestrated by a state. Hebron wasn't the only place where mob rule resulted in the murder of innocents. This photo was taken in Marion, Indiana on August 7, 1930.

http://everyscreen.com/photos_06/LynchingOfThomasShippAndAbramSmith_01.jpg
contrex
 
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Reply Sat 2 Mar, 2013 04:35 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

This photo was taken in Marion, Indiana on August 7, 1930.


Depending on how you define lynching, they have taken place as recently as 1998 ( James Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas). Possibly later. Certainly they carried on way after World War 2. The Tuskegee Institute has recorded that 3,446 blacks and 1,297 whites were lynched between 1882 and 1968.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 2 Mar, 2013 04:40 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Advocate wrote:

Why don't you discuss the massacre of every Jew living in Hebron when Israel was formed?


This is a clear example of your inability to deal with reality. You've eagerly lapped up a load of half truths and downright lies. Try actually verifying the bullshit that you spout for once. A quick google of the phrase 'Hebron Massacre,' brings up this page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre

For a start this occured in 1929, before the formation of Israel, and is a consequence of riots. Sixty seven Jews tragically lost their lives, but "Many of the 435 Jews who survived were hidden by local Arab families." So 'every Jew living in Hebron' was not killed. There is a slight whisper of truth is your post, but it's nothing more than that. You've lied, deliberately or through neglect, about the central facts in your posting. This is the action of a propagandist, not someone remotely interested in the truth.

This riot should be condemned, as should all riots, but the reality is a far cry from the pseudohistory you're spouting. Also it needs to be viewed as the actions of a mob, not the systematic violence and brutality orchestrated by a state. Hebron wasn't the only place where mob rule resulted in the murder of innocents. This photo was taken in Marion, Indiana on August 7, 1930.

http://everyscreen.com/photos_06/LynchingOfThomasShippAndAbramSmith_01.jpg


157 Jews were massacred in Hebron in 1948. http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-515427?ref=email
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 2 Mar, 2013 04:49 pm
@Advocate,
Here's the "big" picture of Palestinians and Jews killed from Yahoo Answers.

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Resolved QuestionShow me another »
How many Palestinians have been killed since the creation of Israel?
And how many die everyday at the hands of Isreali soldiers who are "defending" their country?

I'm surprised how many of you can defend what the soldiers do. Yes, Jews have been killed as well, but they are the ones stealing the land, and the number is no where close to how many Palestinians die. The fact is, innocent people have been murdered for the sake of your "holy land", and more keep dying. Thats all the good Israel has ever done to the world.
4 years ago


Zeno
Best Answer - Chosen by Asker

Approximately 1.5 million Palestinian civilians have died since 1948,including the victims of the ethnic cleansing campaigns in the west in 1948-50 and in the east since 1967. Civilian deaths have escalated dramatically in recent years since the zionists developed their obsession with the Palestinian birth-rate,and children are often the target. There is only a small fine for killing a Palestinian in cold blood. It's based on a weapons charge,not murder.
To understand the genocidal character of this vile regime,one need only glance at the responses from zionists; at least half advocate or at least imply approval of the killing of non-jews. Adocating genocide is by the way a reportable offence on Y/A. Aproximately 2000 civilian Palestinians are killed each year. If you are jewish and you shoot an 8-year-old Palestinian girl in cold blood,you will have your weapons license revoked for three months and pay a fine equivalent to 50-100 dollars U.S. It's considered by the "government'"to be more or less the same thing as shooting squirrals within city limits with a .22. would be in America. Zionists love to murder Palestinian children and they do it all the time. The military handles the mass-murders. We are not talking about suicide bombers or militants; those figures fall into another category. I am referring to wanton killing of civilians.
Source(s):
Pappe,Itan. "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" (Oxford,2003).
Amnesty Internation Annual Report (years 2000-2007).
Hass,Amira. "Drinking the Waters at Gaza" (1996).
Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 2 Mar, 2013 04:56 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Yahoo Answers and your post are absolute garbage.

It is well know that about 10,000 Pals have been killed over the years in conflicts with Israel. Interestingly, Assad has killed about 70,000 of his fellow Syrians.

BTW, the Pal population has soared since Israel came into existence.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 2 Mar, 2013 05:18 pm
@Advocate,
They are not garbage unless you are able to refute their claims from reliable, credible, sources. You can't.

We're not talking about Syria; it's about "Israel."
Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 2 Mar, 2013 06:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

They are not garbage unless you are able to refute their claims from reliable, credible, sources. You can't.

We're not talking about Syria; it's about "Israel."


You, Infra, Izzy, et al., work so hard to smear Israel and suck up to the Pals. Moreover, the selective garbage you use for this purpose is very telling.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 2 Mar, 2013 09:07 pm
@Advocate,
We don't "suck up to the Pals." That's your misinterpretation of why we are advocates for the Palestinians. Their lands and freedoms are taken away from the Jews. It's too bad you Zionists can't see the illegal land grab, and the killing of innocent Palestinians to create your homeland.

I advocate for everybody who is discriminated against, and that includes many minorities in the US, gays and lesbians, and women.

The mistreatment of Palestinians by the Jews in Israel is illegal by international standards.


contrex
 
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Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2013 01:48 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
The mistreatment of Palestinians by the Jews in Israel is illegal by international standards.


Not just Palestinians.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/28/ethiopian-women-given-contraceptives-israel

In May 2012, disgruntlement toward Africans and calls for deportation and "blacks out" in Tel Aviv boiled over into death threats, fire bombings, rioting, and property destruction. Protesters blamed immigrants for worsening crime and the local economy, some of protesters were seen throwing eggs at African immigrants.


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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2013 04:05 am
@Advocate,
Your link purporting to give evidence about Jews being killed in Hebron in 1948 actually is a piece of video about a woman who has a pet deer.

Why am I not surprised?
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2013 04:33 am
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:
You, Infra, Izzy, et al., work so hard to smear Israel and suck up to the Pals. Moreover, the selective garbage you use for this purpose is very telling.


You have no sense of irony whatsoever. I don't know how you could type that sentence with a straight face. Every thing I have said has been backed up with a link to a credible source, usually Wikipedia or the BBC. You on the other hand post nothing but garbage, every claim you make is unsourced, apart from the one time, when it's a load of irrelevant bollocks about a woman with a pet deer.

You are the one sucking up, you are the one selectively posting, but you're just not very good at it, which is why people have wondered whether or not you're really working for Hamas. I don't think that, it's fairly obvious that you're an 'Israel can do no wrong' type, who makes wild accusations without evidence, and is very dismissive of any human life that's not Israeli. Such people tend to be obtuse bigots, and you fit that to a T.
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