Lib Dem British MP Castigates Israel

You, like Izzy are tilting at a straw man.

If the Jewish experience with the Holocaust should cause them to adopt a non-violent approach to others, why shouldn't the Palestinian's experience do the same?

You and others on this thread can't have it both ways: Jews should be non-violent because of the violence they have experienced, but Palestinian violence is justified by the violence they have experienced.

History tells us they can all live in relative peace in that area...if the state of Israel were not there.

You guys don't seem to comprehend the lives it ruins with your "superior" attitude of "we can take as many Palestinian's property, because we have more military might than them."

I'm a monster': Veterans 'alone' in their guilt
By PAULINE JELINEK | Associated Press – 4 hrs ago.. .

WASHINGTON (AP) — A veteran of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, former Marine Capt. Timothy Kudo thinks of himself as a killer — and he carries the guilt every day.

"I can't forgive myself," he says. "And the people who can forgive me are dead."

With American troops at war for more than a decade, there's been an unprecedented number of studies into war zone psychology and an evolving understanding of post-traumatic stress disorder. Clinicians suspect some troops are suffering from what they call "moral injuries" — wounds from having done something, or failed to stop something, that violates their moral code.

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — The Palestinian civilian death toll mounted Monday as Israeli aircraft struck densely populated areas in the Gaza Strip in a campaign to quell militant rocket fire menacing nearly half of Israel's population.

An overnight airstrike on two houses belonging to an extended clan in Gaza City killed two children and two adults, and injured 42 people, said Gaza heath official Ashraf al-Kidra.

Shortly after, Israeli aircraft bombarded the remains of the former national security compound in Gaza City. Flying shrapnel killed one child and wounded others living nearby, al-Kidra said. Five farmers were killed in two separate strikes, al-Kidra said, including three who had been identified earlier by Hamas security officials as Islamic Jihad fighters.

Civilian casualties began to shoot up on Sunday, after Israel said it was stepping up attacks on the homes of suspected Hamas activists. After that warning, an Israeli missile flatted a two-story house in a residential area of Gaza City, killing at least 11 civilians, most of them women and children.

"moral injuries" -- wounds from having done something, or failed to stop something, that violates their moral code[/b].

Think about this if it's possible.

Israelis should have no problem with bad consciences. They kill (relatively very few) in defense of their country and fellow citizens. This is a far cry from the wanton murders by the Arabs.

Yes, because no matter how much evidence and fact we present to show the atrocities perpetrated by the Jews against the Palestinians, it doesn't sink into the Zionist's brain.

In the early 1990s there began to appear articles by Israeli academicians who referred to themselves as post-Zionists; this was mostly in the aftermath of a lengthy public discussion on the issues surrounding the events of the War of Independence, attributed to the New Historians. The public mood in the aftermath of the Oslo Accords, which presumed that the Arab-Israeli conflict was nearing a conclusion, contributed even more to the development of this tendency. Since the start of the Second Intifada, public mood has changed tremendously, and as many perceive,[who?] the post-Zionist tendency has been in retreat.

On the other hand, post-Zionist historians were accused of adopting the Palestinian narrative without any doubts and of demonizing and delegitimizing Israel and Zionism.

In contrast to political Zionism's goal of the Jewish state, many post-Zionists advocate the evolution of Israel into a non-ideological, secular, liberal democratic state, to be officially neither Jewish nor Arab in character.

Post-Zionism has been criticized as a polite recasting of anti-Zionism, and therefore a deceptive term.[1] Some right-wing Israelis have accused Jewish post-Zionists of being self-hating Jews.[2]

Israel was established as a home for the Jews, rightly so considering that the Jews have been de facto or de jure driven out of so many countries.

Israel was established as a home for the Jews

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To expand on what the Zionists are doing in Israel against the Palestinians, they suffer from having no conscience against moral injuries against others.

You're kidding, right? Who's talking about "miscarriages?" We're talking about innocent Palestinians killed vs Jews killed - as the direct result of bombings. You're trying to equate "miscarriages" with all the innocent children killed by the Jews?

Get real!