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Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

 
 
JPB
 
  4  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 10:28 am
@firefly,
@all

No Republican congressman has spoken out about steps forward. Supposedly, an R congressional leader was invited to speak on MSNBC's Morning Joe and stated that he couldn't make a statement until after today's NRA press conference. Really. Our elected officials cannot speak until after the NRA tells them what to say.

Today, the NRA broke their silence and called for Congress to immediately appropriate funds to put armed policemen in every school in the nation before the kids return from their holiday breaks.

Really.
JPB
 
  1  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 10:30 am
@ehBeth,
bump
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boomerang
 
  5  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 10:41 am
@ehBeth,
Charles Krauthammer wrote this in today's column:

Quote:
Most fatal, however, is the grandfathering of existing weapons and magazines. That’s one of the reasons the ’94 law failed. At the time, there were 1.5 million assault weapons in circulation and 25 million large-capacity (i.e., more than 10 bullets) magazines. A reservoir that immense can take 100 years to draw down.


And I thought -- where will we be in 100 years if we don't start to draw down that reservoir now...

I don't understand why we don't just get started with an eye on our grandkids not having to deal with it.
JTT
 
  0  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 10:49 am
@firefly,
Quote:
9/11 could not have taken place if our deplorable airport security had not made it ridiculously easy for small groups of men, armed with nothing more than box cutters, to simultaneously hijack 4 planes.


What is wrong with honesty, FF? It's little wonder y'all can't get anything meaningful done when you operate on lies and half truths and humongous doses of propaganda.

9/11 would not have taken place IF the US had not spent over half a century stealing the wealth of Middle Easteners, installing brutal dictators, murdering, torturing, raping them.

Quote:
...but we failed to do that, and we paid a horrible, horrible price for that failure to act.


You paid a miniscule measure compared to the truly horrible price that has been inflicted upon others by YOUR governments, the ones YOU elected.

Again, what is wrong with you people that you are so afraid of the truth?
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JTT
 
  1  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 10:56 am
@JPB,
Quote:
Today, the NRA broke their silence and called for Congress to immediately appropriate funds to put armed policemen in every school in the nation before the kids return from their holiday breaks.


Then they shoot the cop first then the kids.

Okay, no problem. Each school get a squad of soldiers.

Then they blow up the squad first and then shoot the kids.

Okay, no problem, the schools get razor wire and tanks surrounding them.

I think that will work.

American insanity / Senseless NRA

Apt tags.
firefly
 
  2  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 11:09 am
@JPB,
Quote:
Today, the NRA broke their silence and called for Congress to immediately appropriate funds to put armed policemen in every school in the nation before the kids return from their holiday breaks.


That's consistent with all their other positions which do little more than encourage and support the sale of guns and bullets. It doesn't really address the general problem of gun violence or the broader issue of public safety, but it does help to sell more guns and bullets.

Quite recently, our children have also been killed by guns in movie theaters and supermarkets, so do we need armed guards or police in those places as well? How about shopping malls, houses of worship, university campuses, commuter trains--also past sites of multiple shootings and mass murders--well, we'd better have armed guards or police in those places too, if that's the NRA's solution.

All the NRA is doing is promoting and encouraging the sale of more guns and bullets.

Quote:
December 20, 2012
National Rifle (Selling) Association

The National Rifle Association is scheduled to hold a news conference on Friday where it says it plans to provide details about its promise of “meaningful contributions” to prevent another a massacre like the one in Newtown, Conn.

We would like to believe that the N.R.A., the most influential opponent of sensible gun-control policies, will do as it says, but we have little faith that it will offer any substantial reforms. The association presents itself as a grass-roots organization, but it has become increasingly clear in recent years that it represents gun makers. Its chief aim has been to help their businesses by increasing the spread of firearms throughout American society.

In recent years, the N.R.A. has aggressively lobbied federal and state governments to dilute or eliminate numerous regulations on gun ownership. And the clearest beneficiary has been the gun industry — sales of firearms and ammunition have grown 5.7 percent a year since 2007, to nearly $12 billion this year, according to IBISWorld, a market research firm. Despite the recession, arms sales have been growing so fast that domestic manufacturers haven’t been able to keep up. Imports of arms have grown 3.6 percent a year in the last five years.

The industry has, in turn, been a big supporter of the N.R.A. It has contributed between $14.7 million and $38.9 million to an N.R.A.-corporate-giving campaign since 2005, according to a report published last year by the Violence Policy Center, a nonprofit group that advocates greater gun control. The estimate is based on a study of the N.R.A.’s “Ring of Freedom” program and very likely understates the industry’s total financial support for the association, which does not publicly disclose a comprehensive list of its donors and how much they have given.

Officials from the N.R.A. have repeatedly said their main goal is to protect the Second Amendment rights of rank-and-file members who like to hunt or want guns for protection. But that claim is at odds with surveys that show a majority of N.R.A. members and a majority of American gun owners often support restrictions on gun sales and ownership that the N.R.A. has bitterly fought.

For instance, a 2009 poll commissioned by Mayors Against Illegal Guns found that 69 percent of N.R.A. members would support requiring all sellers at gun shows to conduct background checks of prospective buyers, which they do not have to do now and which the N.R.A. has steadfastly argued against. If lawful gun owners are willing to subject themselves to background checks, why is the association resisting? Its position appears only to serve the interest of gun makers and dealers who want to increase sales even if it means having dangerous weapons fall into the hands of criminals and violent individuals.

Businesses and special-interest groups often cloak their profit motives in the garb of constitutional rights — think Big Tobacco and its opposition to restrictions on smoking in public places and bold warnings on cigarette packages. The Supreme Court has made clear that the right to bear arms is not absolute and is subject to regulations and controls. Yet the N.R.A. clings to its groundless arguments that tough regulations violate the Second Amendment. Many of those arguments serve no purpose other than to increase the sales of guns and bullets.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/opinion/national-rifle-selling-association.html?hp


The NY Times was right, the NRA didn't propose any new sensible controls or regulations or reforms today.

The NRA has the blood of innocent victims of gun violence all over it's hands. Let it clean itself up before it continues to dictate the gun policies in this country.

Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 11:11 am
@tsarstepan,

@ALL

I do agree that we have to start working on this problem with laws...but I think it wise to always remind ourselves that "laws" and "legislation" have as much chance of significantly impacting on the problem of people committing mass murders is very, very small.

More weapons in the hands of teachers, principals, students, or armed guards seems like storing gasoline near a fire extinguisher. The only thing you are likely to get is more shooting.

Taking the existing guns away from the people who have them will probably lead to more deaths than simply letting them keep them. This is visceral for many gun owners...and I think the mentality that prevails is that of Charlton Heston, "You will only take them away by prying them from my cold, dead hands."

Unfortunately, we are going to live with this problem for a long, long time to go whether we want to or not.
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 11:14 am
@Frank Apisa,

Real Solutions offered by the NRA
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IRFRANK
 
  1  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 11:16 am
@JTT,
Quote:
LaPierre, whose remarks were interrupted twice by pro-gun control protesters, disdained the notion that stricter gun laws could have prevented "monsters" like Adam Lanza from committing mass shootings, and wondered why schools, unlike banks, don't have the protection of armed forces.

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," he said.



Absolutely idiotic. Really, we have to live in an armed camp?

The only thing stopping a bad guy with an assualt rifle is to not sell them in the first place.

The overwhelming portion of Americans do not agree with selling assault rifles as easily as they are today. When are we going to stop these few nuts from making our laws?

Will there be a 'National Nuclear Weapons' association some day? Proposing that everyone needs one of those?

H2O MAN
 
  0  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 11:16 am
@IRFRANK,


LaPierre got it absolutely correct and an overwhelming number of Americans agree with him
IRFRANK
 
  1  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 11:17 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
but I think it wise to always remind ourselves that "laws" and "legislation" have as much chance of significantly impacting on the problem of people committing mass murders is very, very small.



If you look at the rest of the civilized world that has not been the case. Australia is a good example. Banning these weapons has had a very significant effect.
IRFRANK
 
  4  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 11:18 am
@H2O MAN,
He's as big a f**cking idot as you are.
JTT
 
  1  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 11:19 am
@IRFRANK,
Quote:
When are we going to stop these few nuts from making our laws?


Government of the ... ????

How does that piece of propaganda go again, Frank?
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H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 11:19 am
@IRFRANK,


Quote:
Australia: Banning these weapons has had a very significant effect.


It sure did, the murder rate went up significantly
IRFRANK
 
  2  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 11:19 am
@H2O MAN,
Then let the American people decide. I don't think your prediction will hold up. Most Americans are fed up with this nonsense.
ehBeth
 
  1  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 11:19 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
I do agree that we have to start working on this problem with laws...but I think it wise to always remind ourselves that "laws" and "legislation" have as much chance of significantly impacting on the problem of people committing mass murders is very, very small.


do you really think that Americans are so much different from the rest of the developed world? and if so, not just how but why?
H2O MAN
 
  0  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 11:20 am
@IRFRANK,
Only a moron would debate the issue in such a fashion
ehBeth
 
  0  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 11:21 am
@H2O MAN,
and then it dropped by something like 30% (1.9 down to 1.3)
H2O MAN
 
  0  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 11:21 am
@IRFRANK,


The American people have decided, they want to abide by the US constitution.
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H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Fri 21 Dec, 2012 11:22 am
@ehBeth,
Quote:
and then it dropped by something like 30% (1.9 down to 1.3)


Not because the criminals turned in their guns, nope, it was because the criminals ran out of innocent people to murder
 

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