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Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

 
 
McTag
 
  3  
Mon 22 Apr, 2013 02:18 pm
@BillRM,

Quote:
Yes indeed in the US guns being used as a tool for murder/suicide is far more common then in countries with few guns but dead is dead no matter what the tools happen to be.


That's a convincing argument. Your stiffs are just as dead as our stiffs.

I never thought of that.
parados
 
  2  
Mon 22 Apr, 2013 02:43 pm
@BillRM,
The data in the WaPost article is from 2005. I posted data from 2009.
But you really need to learn that using data from one year doesn't really tell us much since it can be an anomaly. US suicide rate is comparable to many countries. Asian countries like South Korea and Japan have higher suicide rates but also have a different societal view of suicide.

But since you want to use your data I suppose we should use the murder data from 2005 just to make it a fair comparison. There goes your claim of the lowest murder rate in 50 years out the window. 2005 was pretty much the highest murder rate in the US in the last 15 years and 20-25% higher than in 2011.
BillRM
 
  1  
Mon 22 Apr, 2013 02:55 pm
@parados,
Quote:
The data in the WaPost article is from 2005. I posted data from 2009.
But you really need to learn that using data from one year doesn't really tell us much since it can be an anomaly.


Give me a break in a nation of 300 millions such numbers do not change greatly in a rapid manner and anomaly is hard to credit once more when you dealing with such a large numbers of people.

Once more 2009 or 2005 it does not matter as the suicide rate in the US does not reflect for either year that the existence of 300 millions guns in a population of 300 millions had result in the suicide rate being out of tune with other advance nations that have few guns in private hands.

If there was a strong tied in between the percent of gun ownership and suicide rate then the US should not be sitting in roughly the middle of the list of nations for suicide.
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BillRM
 
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Mon 22 Apr, 2013 03:15 pm
@McTag,
Quote:
That's a convincing argument. Your stiffs are just as dead as our stiffs.

I never thought of that.


I bet you have not as guns are similar to the ring in the lord of the ring evil in itself and turning the owner into a killer by it very existence.

That the reason to come up with the concept of gun violence as if violence using a gun is not the same as violence using any other means or devices..

Baldimo
 
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Mon 22 Apr, 2013 03:21 pm
@parados,
We could use this # but then what do you say when you realize that this was directly after the Assault weapons ban expired. We had a higher murder rate during the assault weapons ban? Since it has expired the murder rate in the US has dropped (except for Chicago).
parados
 
  2  
Mon 22 Apr, 2013 05:31 pm
@Baldimo,
And we had an even higher murder rate before the assault weapons ban went into place. I guess we can't read much into it other than an aging population.
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parados
 
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Mon 22 Apr, 2013 05:38 pm
@Baldimo,
It's interesting how people like you keep bringing up Chicago when you have no clue about what the Chicago murder rate was in the 80s or 90s. The "HIGH" murder rate in Chicago last year was about 1/2 what it was in 1992 and 1994.
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hingehead
 
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Tue 23 Apr, 2013 06:10 am
http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/547484_591301374216163_1310337609_n.jpg
BillRM
 
  0  
Tue 23 Apr, 2013 07:41 am
@hingehead,
Yes let take all freedoms from adults to protect the children.......
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McTag
 
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Tue 23 Apr, 2013 08:10 am
@BillRM,

Quote:
....guns are similar to the ring in the lord of the ring evil in itself and turning the owner into a killer by it very existence.


Well. An unexpected glimmer of light in the torrent of pro-gun posts.
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revelette
 
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Tue 23 Apr, 2013 08:45 am
H2O MAN
 
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Tue 23 Apr, 2013 09:38 am
@revelette,


Unadulterated bullshit! Is this how Obama justifies Fast & Furious?

Al Qaeda doesn't know what he's talking about and CNN knows it.

Liberal progressive anti freedom, American disarmament propaganda.
izzythepush
 
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Tue 23 Apr, 2013 09:44 am
@H2O MAN,
You've got a gun, Gunga's got a gun and Oralboy's got a gun.

What more evidence do you need that in America, any ******* idiot can get hold of a gun?
Frank Apisa
 
  3  
Tue 23 Apr, 2013 10:40 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

You've got a gun, Gunga's got a gun and Oralboy's got a gun.

What more evidence do you need that in America, any ******* idiot can get hold of a gun?


Goddam it, Izzy. You gotta post warning with **** like that. I had a mouthful of orange soda when I read it...and now an orange speckled, sticky key board. Nancy's gonna think I was up to no good when she gets home.
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H2O MAN
 
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Tue 23 Apr, 2013 10:45 am
Jizzy = ******* idiot
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revelette
 
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Tue 23 Apr, 2013 11:16 am
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
Federal law requires that individuals seeking to buy a gun at a licensed dealer pass a background check to prevent criminals, domestic abusers, the seriously mentally ill, and other dangerous people from purchasing firearms. Since the NICS instant background check system was implemented in 1998, background checks have denied transfers to over 1.7 million prohibited purchasers.

However, there is a gaping hole in our laws that allow criminals and others to go to “private sellers” at gun shows, on the internet, and elsewhere to buy guns with no background check, no questions asked. Commonly referred to as the private sales loophole or “gun show loophole,” this failure in our public safety policy has allowed up to 40 percent of all gun transfers to take place without a background check.

In practice, this means that those wishing to purchase a gun have two easily available options – a federally licensed seller that will require a background check and an unlicensed seller that won’t. Not surprisingly, 80 percent of criminal inmates in a Department of Justice survey said they got their guns through private means – no background check necessary.

Even when background checks are performed, prohibited purchasers can slip through the cracks because the NICS instant criminal background check system is missing millions of relevant records due to insufficient reporting by state and federal agencies. For example, 19 states have submitted fewer than 100 mental health records to NICS, and only 9 of the 60 federal agencies listed in relevant FBI data have submitted any mental health records.

Congress should act quickly to fix the criminal background check system for gun sales by 1) getting the names of everyone who isn’t allowed to buy a gun into the background check system, and 2) providing a background check for every gun purchase, with limited exceptions. Over 90 percent of Americans agree with this policy.


source
H2O MAN
 
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Tue 23 Apr, 2013 11:26 am
@revelette,
revelette wrote:

there is a gaping hole in our laws that allow criminals and others to go to “private sellers” at gun shows, on the internet, and elsewhere to buy guns with no background check, no questions asked. Commonly referred to as the private sales loophole or “gun show loophole,” this failure in our public safety policy has allowed up to 40 percent of all gun transfers to take place without a background check.


This is a lie, but I guess if libtards repeat enough, libtards believe it.

There is no such thing as a "gun show loophole."

The failure of the general public understanding this is indicative of
the piss poor government school education system in this country.
revelette
 
  1  
Tue 23 Apr, 2013 11:50 am
@H2O MAN,
Rolling Eyes
H2O MAN
 
  1  
Tue 23 Apr, 2013 11:58 am
@revelette,


Test it for yourself, buy a gun online and see if the seller will ship it to your door.
Go to a gun show with cash in hand and try to buy a gun without a background check.

Let us know how it works out for you

revelette
 
  2  
Wed 24 Apr, 2013 09:29 am
@H2O MAN,
There is no need for me to test it for myself, I would be totally lost at either option. However, there has been plenty of others who have done just that and have pictures and/or videos to prove it.

Example:

Circling the perimeter of the gun show are young men with rifles on their backs and handwritten signs on their chests, reports Pat Blanchfield. With photos by Jason Francisco.

 

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