Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

@H2O MAN,

A. Considering how easy you guys have made it for any nutball to acquire a whole arsenal, yep, sure do.

B. You haven't seen a whole lot of driver's license pictures, have you?

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@H2O MAN,

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Do you think it is really a gun problem?

Do you think that if these three people had no accesses to guns that they would not have done what they did? do you think that they would have found an alternative rout to what they had in mind?

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@reasoning logic,

Do you think if parents and officials had responded to the many red flags that popped
up as these three evil people grew up things would have turned out differently?

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@H2O MAN,

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Do you think if the parents and officials had responded to the many red flags that popped-up, that these three evil people would would have grown to be emotionally intelligent? would they have turned out differently?

If you are asking if they would have have had preconceived notions about what you said then yes I agree with you but please keep in mind that I was extremely ignorant and I did not mean any harm to my love ones but you can rest assure that I was taught that their behavior was wrong even though there was no evidence supporting it.

I can only guess that just as I will support people that are for gay rights some of them may have conflicts in their life's as well.

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@reasoning logic,

I asked if you think if parents and officials had responded to the many red flags that popped up as
these three evil people grew up things would have turned out differently and you think they are all gay?

Has anyone noticed the red flags popping up around you?

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@H2O MAN,

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I asked if you think if parents and officials had responded to the many red flags that popped
up as these three evil people grew up things would have turned out differently and you think they are all gay?

Come on, you know that not all people who respond to such criticism are gay no more than what you or I am.
I am only guessing that you are not gay but what if I am wrong? I do not think that it should have any influence on your life but I am sad to say that there are others that are a little more ignorant than me and may hold your ideas back.

Is there anyway you could forgive me for my ignorant behavior being that I few to none role models and they may have very little interest or understanding moral philosophy?

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@reasoning logic,

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Do you think that if these three people had no accesses to guns that they would not have done what they did? do you think that they would have found an alternative rout to what they had in mind?

Yes, just as in gun free England six young men found means to kill a lot of their fellow countrymen not that long ago.

Just as in China in the last few years 20 school children had been killed by stabbings and in gun free Japan on nut killed eight school children in their classrooms with a knife.

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"Threatened by long-term declining participation in shooting sports, the firearms industry has poured millions of dollars into a broad campaign to ensure its future by getting guns into the hands of more, and younger, children. "

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/27/us/selling-a-new-generation-on-guns.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130127&_r=0

This is reminiscent of the last throes of the tobacco industry, to me.

And it shows that daylight is beginning to dawn in certain areas of the US, if the gun industry will behave like this.

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@McTag,

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This is reminiscent of the last throes of the tobacco industry, to me.

With somewhere around 48 percents of the population being gun owners and just the threat of a ban on one type of rifle had driven one hell of a surge of buying and added 250,000 members to the NRA I do not think that interest in gun ownership is decreasing in any way.

Next tobacco produces killed or at least greatly shorten the lives of around 400,000 people a year in the US and that include non-smokers from second hand smoke that in itself outnumbers all the deaths by firearms on a yearly basic.

It have no constitution protections of any kind and yet this killer is not being ban where guns a far less danger to the public health are under attack.

Of course tobacco is not a means to safe guard freedoms and guns are and that seems to be the real motivation for the attempts to limit gun rights in the US.

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http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/

Tobacco use is the leading preventable cause of death.
Worldwide, tobacco use causes more than 5 million deaths per year, and current trends show that tobacco use will cause more than 8 million deaths annually by 2030.3
In the United States, smoking is responsible for about one in five deaths annually (i.e., about 443,000 deaths per year, and an estimated 49,000 of these smoking-related deaths are the result of secondhand smoke exposure).1
On average, smokers die 13 to 14 years earlier than nonsmokers.4

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@BillRM,

How many deaths are caused by having babies Bill?

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@spendius,

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How many deaths are caused by having babies Bill?

An the connection between smoking or gun ownership and women having babies is what?

Second the deaths rate for mothers in child birth happen to be small in all the first world and if you could come up with some kind of a connection I will look up the numbers for you,

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@BillRM,

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An the connection between smoking or gun ownership and women having babies is what?

All three cause deaths. Nobody ever died who wasn't born.

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@spendius,

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ll three cause deaths. Nobody ever died who wasn't born.

True and pointless at the same time as far as this discuss is concern dealing with public health risks and comparing those between smoking and guns ownership.

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@BillRM,

Well--smoking and driving are irrelevant to this discussion as well.

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@spendius,

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Well--smoking and driving are irrelevant to this discussion as well.

Oh? So risks to the public health we are willing to run in other areas of life is irrelevant in your opinion to the risks of allowing gun ownership in the US?

Seem a valid and on the point issue as to why risks that are greater by far then allowing gun ownership is not under attack given that the excuse so far given to ban guns are that they are far too must a dangerous to the public welfare to allow.

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@BillRM,

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Oh? So risks to the public health we are willing to run in other areas of life is irrelevant in your opinion to the risks of allowing gun ownership in the US?

Yes.

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Seem a valid and on the point issue as to why risks that are greater by far then allowing gun ownership is not under attack given that the excuse so far given to ban guns are that they are far too must a dangerous to the public welfare to allow.

Those other risks are under attack. And they are taken for the public good. There is no public good in the widespread private ownership of guns. You have to invent one. It is that your freedom is being defended by guns which many people see as ridiculous. Your dismissal of us as "serfs" is a pathetic argument. Worthless.

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@spendius,

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hose other risks are under attack. And they are taken for the public good. There is no public good in the widespread private ownership of guns. You have to invent one. It is that your freedom is being defended by guns which many people see as ridiculous. Your dismissal of us as "serfs" is a pathetic argument. Worthless.

Sorry but risks are risks and there is a public good in having armed citizens in my opinion and a great percents of the total population of the US by polls share that opinion with somewhere around 48 percent being guns owners.

What a non-citizen of the US from a country that will not even allow it national pistol team to practice on it soil opinion happen to be in this matter does not carry a great dead of weight with myself in any case even those I am more the willing to address your arguments if not your opinions.

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@spendius,

BillRM can't see the incosistancies in his arguments. The fact that he places such importance in the pistol team is indicative of his blinkered thinking. He simply does not understand how indifferent we feel about it. In short the only points that matters are those he deems important because is is unable/incapable of seeing the points that really matter.

Earlier on he lambasted Stephen King for being a drunk, but ignores this foible when discussing Winston Churchill. Something else he cannot comprehend is why Churchill lost the 1945 election, which is probably why we have Universal Health Care and lots of Americans die from treatable illnesses because they don't have enough cover.

Btw, any slight advantage an armed population may offer is heavily outnumbered by the very real disadvantage of allowing lunatics to go on the rampage with automatic weapons.

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@BillRM,

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in my opinion

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if not your opinions.

That's what owning guns does to people.

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@izzythepush,

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In short the only points that matters are those he deems important because is is unable/incapable of seeing the points that really matter.

That's perfectly normal for people holding a gun. And it is what is so destructive.

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