Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

@McTag,

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We don't want to murder our neighbours, and we don't want our neighbours to be able to murder us, so it's a bit of a no-brainer, really.

LOL so only by firearms can anyone murder their neighbors in the UK?

The UK national pistol team members and such are at high risk of going on killing sprees if allow to practice in their own nation?

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@parados,

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No, because the net isn't to prevent bites. It is to prevent sharks from entering the area. They are 2 different things. Sharks in the area don't equate to bites. Many beach areas around the world have sharks and no bites.

Ok thank you for evading the question, again.
Mind you this is a hypothetical scenario.

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No, because you have failed to define your problem.

Define my problem? America had the chance to put down Bin Laden in 1998. Wake up man.

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Does that mean you will stop some species from entering the area? Since you haven't defined which species bite, you haven't defined the problem.

If you like to play word games, play scrabble.

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The only way that analogy would work is if the law was designed to keep muslims out of the US on the pretext that it would stop terrorism attacks. The law wasn't designed to do that so bad analogy.

We are talking about Muslims? I was making an analogy? Thank you queen of misrepresentation for your opinion. So where were we? Oh yes terrorists and the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996. Tell me again how that act stopped the 9/11 attack? I'm listening.

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Stephen King risks wrath of NRA by releasing pro-gun control essay
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2013/jan/25/stephen-king-gun-control-essay-amazon-nra?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+theguardian%2Fbooks%2Frss+%28Books%29

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@RexRed,

Is it really much of a risk? Do those NRA dudes read? Certainly not the Guardian.

Cheap shot - guilty as charged - couldn't resist the straight line.

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@hingehead,

I was pleased to hear of Steven King's stance on the issue. Smile

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@parados,

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A screw driver can be used to drive a nail. The nail is just as solid as if driven with a hammer but no one would argue we would build as many houses if we used screw drivers instead of hammers.

The simple fact of the matter is other means of killing are not as effective. While the number of murder attempts may remain the same. The number that die will go down simply because of the lack of effectiveness of the tool used.

No. The most likely outcome by far is that the number who die will stay about the same.

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@BillRM,

Frank Apisa wrote:

Being a good citizens involves allowing government to restrict our rights.

Wow!

In addition to being a habitual liar, Frank Apisa is an outright Fascist.

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@spendius,

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And if the US adopts our gun laws I would bet money that its murder rate falls by at least 50% straight away and a lot more later.

No, the likely outcome is that the murder rate would stay pretty much the same, both straight away and later.

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@parados,

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The issue Bill fails to address is that one person's rights can interfere with another person's rights. That requires that rights be balanced against other rights.

I suppose that might be hypothetically possible.

But every time I've heard a claim of such a "conflict" it has been someone who does not like civil rights claiming that their rights are being "violated" simply because they don't like the idea of other people exercising their rights.

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@RexRed,

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I was pleased to hear of Steven King's stance on the issue.

Seemed pretty silly to me.

First, a gun is not a WMD (otherwise we just justified the 2003 invasion of Iraq, because there were plenty of guns in the country when we invaded).

Second, there is zero reason to ban full-auto weapons, because existing controls are very clearly already adequate.

And third, any ban on semi-autos would be unnecessary and unconstitutional, and would eliminate many hunting and most self defense weapons.

All in all, his writings are best dismissed as the ravings of a freedom-hating freak.

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@oralloy,

Government 's purported jurisdiction
to interfere with possession of fully automatic weapons is a hoax,
any more than it has authority to edit the Bible.

David

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@oralloy,

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All in all, his writings are best dismissed as the ravings of a freedom-hating freak.

He also have a long history of being a drunk that was so bad at one point ,by his own words, that he drank mouthwash to get high.

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@oralloy,

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Re: BillRM (Post 5236006)
Frank Apisa wrote:
Being a good citizens involves allowing government to restrict our rights.

Wow!

In addition to being a habitual liar, Frank Apisa is an outright Fascist.

No, Oralloy, I am not a fascist any more than you are.

Like any good citizen, you allow the government to restrict our rights. You have a license to own guns...do you not? You have a drivers license, right? You pay taxes, right? You stop for red lights, right?

C'mon. Wake up. If you are going to participate, you've got to be able to think.

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@oralloy,

And I am not a liar...although I did not want to include that point in my comment that included, "like you."

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

And I am not a liar...

Sure you are, now take a seat over there.

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@H2O MAN,

You guys are just wallowing in a fantasy about being in an insurrection. Probably as one of the Big Cheese's most trusted officers.

It must be those comics you read with the "ZAAAAAPPPPPP"s and "KAPPPOOW"s in them when you were young and feeling crushed by all the dehumanising forces you were subjected to. I will forbear listing them because it would take me longer than I have time for. The chains and bonds of civilised living which we allow ourselves, democratically, to be restricted by in return for certain amenities which I will again forbear listing because they far outnumber the dehumanising forces which we are at liberty to circumvent as best we can.

Besides, I don't wish to set myself carnally salivating in between meals.

But I understand of course having experienced it myself. But I read comics where citizens were depicted as absurd and something of a joke, pants falling down whilst conducting the Berlin Philharmonic sort of thing, rather than as heroic knights coming to save us all from the bogeymen. Like Popeye. I loved Olive Oil though. And Laurel and Hardy.

I once saw a Russian dissident interviewed at Moscow airport on his return from a number of years of exile in the US. He was asked why he had come back. He said "I grew up".

The idea that the government has anything to fear from you lot is ridiculous. I bet you couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery.

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@H2O MAN,

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5236723)
Frank Apisa wrote:

And I am not a liar...

Sure you are, now take a seat over there.

No I am not a liar. And I am seated. So what now?

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@spendius,

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You guys are just wallowing in a fantasy about being in an insurrection. Probably as one of the Big Cheese's most trusted officers.

You would need to think that as your fellow citizens have allowed themselves to be put at the mercy of a government that had shown already that it is willing to do away with home rule and imprison people without trials and torture them beside.

Maybe the IRA would be willing to send you some of the arms that force your government to negotiate with them.

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@Val Killmore,

I answer your question and this is your response?

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Ok thank you for evading the question, again.
Mind you this is a hypothetical scenario.

What do you think "NO" means?
There is a difference between not answering a question and not giving an answer you want. It's clear you didn't get the answer you wanted so now you accuse me of not answering the question. That is not my problem. It's clearly yours. You can't accept answers you don't like.

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@oralloy,

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No. The most likely outcome by far is that the number who die will stay about the same.

Really? based on what evidence?

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