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Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

 
 
BillRM
 
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Thu 24 Jan, 2013 06:22 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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f you made stricter laws...Who does it actually, physically, hurt?


It surely does not hurt the criminals who will get whatever guns they care to own just as drug addicts are able to buy any street drug they care to have in spite of all the laws and the war on drug.

It will tend to disarmed the citizens who do tend to obey the laws however.

Kind of as if the government wish to enacted a protection program for criminals.

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BillRM
 
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Thu 24 Jan, 2013 06:30 am
@parados,
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The number of victims will go down simply because the tool will be less efficient. It's a simple case of math Bill.


Nonsense as for mass killings home make bombs are must more effective then guns and produce one hell of a greater body count for example.

Then for single attacks there are all manners of attacks that work as well or better then guns.

The mentally ill in NYC had found that shoving people in front of subways trains work just fine as a mean of killing strangers at random.

For dealing with someone you are living with and wish dead rat poison work just fine and you are far more likely to get away with it also.
BillRM
 
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Thu 24 Jan, 2013 06:32 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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hey just do not want to admit that irresponsible people have guns...Because it can impact them in ways that they do not care...Because they are more concerned in making statements about freedom....


Irresponsible people drive cars also and as a result had been known to cause deaths.
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BillRM
 
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Thu 24 Jan, 2013 06:38 am
@Frank Apisa,
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ow anyone can actually argue that "more guns" will result in "fewer shootings" is beyond comprehension.


Hmm not too many robberies of gun stores during the hours they happen to be open and have all the employees openly carrying guns now are there?
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 24 Jan, 2013 06:53 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
Quote:
Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5234924)
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ow anyone can actually argue that "more guns" will result in "fewer shootings" is beyond comprehension.


Hmm not too many robberies of gun stores during the hours they happen to be open and have all the employees openly carrying guns now are there?


Nope, but there have been a couple of shootings at Army Posts...where there are plenty of guns and lots of trained people.

In any case, how anyone can actually argue that "more guns" will result in "fewer shootings" is beyond comprehension.
H2O MAN
 
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Thu 24 Jan, 2013 07:19 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

How anyone can actually argue that "more guns" will result in "fewer shootings" is beyond comprehension.


Let's see if you can comprehend this; more guns may in fact result in more shootings of criminals by law abiding Americans, but that increase will be short lived as the criminals realize predator friendly zones are a thing of the past.

Frank A, if you are unable to comprehend this then there is no help for you and no longer a reason to discuss the matter with you.

Also, nothing that Obama, his liberals or you have come up with will result in fewer shootings of law abiding Americans by criminals and you know it.
BillRM
 
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Thu 24 Jan, 2013 07:22 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
In any case, how anyone can actually argue that "more guns" will result in "fewer shootings" is beyond comprehension.


More guns in the hands of civilians mean more danger to criminals and therefore less attacks by criminals as in gun shops.

My bar owner friend that I had posted about here before greatly reduce his chances of being a victim of a gun crime when dropping off money at the bank drop box at night by wearing openly an old civil war revolve that look like a damn cannon.

Note given the over 300 millions guns in the US the percents of those guns that are involve in misdeeds happen to be tinny.
H2O MAN
 
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Thu 24 Jan, 2013 07:34 am

Record numbers sign up for Marietta gun training course
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Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 24 Jan, 2013 07:35 am
@H2O MAN,
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Quote:
Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5234924)
Frank Apisa wrote:

How anyone can actually argue that "more guns" will result in "fewer shootings" is beyond comprehension.


Let's see if you can comprehend this; more guns may in fact result in more shootings of criminals by law abiding Americans, but that increase will be short lived as the criminals realize predator friendly zones are a thing of the past.

Frank A, if you are unable to comprehend this then there is no help for you and no longer a reason to discuss the matter with you.

Also, nothing that Obama, his liberals or you have come up with will result in fewer shootings of law abiding Americans by criminals and you know it.


Yes...I can see that more guns in the hands of more law-abiding people like you here in America has made us one of the least violent countries on the planet.

NOT!

How anyone can suggest that if we only increase the number of guns things will change for the better is beyond sanity.

I get that you probably will NEVER get that, but I am more than willing to discuss it with you, regardless. If you do not want to discuss it with me...just don't. But discussing it with me to tell me you do not want to discuss it with me makes almost as little sense as the subject concept.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 24 Jan, 2013 07:36 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
Quote:
Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5234941)
Quote:
In any case, how anyone can actually argue that "more guns" will result in "fewer shootings" is beyond comprehension.


More guns in the hands of civilians mean more danger to criminals and therefore less attacks by criminals as in gun shops.

My bar owner friend that I had posted about here before greatly reduce his chances of being a victim of a gun crime when dropping off money at the bank drop box at night by wearing openly an old civil war revolve that look like a damn cannon.

Note given the over 300 millions guns in the US the percents of those guns that are involve in misdeeds happen to be tinny.


That is an absurd notion, Bill...or since we already are the most armed nation on the planet...we would already be one of the least violent!

But we are not.

Can you honestly not grasp that?
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H2O MAN
 
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Thu 24 Jan, 2013 07:48 am


Frank A. has confirmed that it's a waste of time to discuss this issue with him, he's
way too emotional and irrational to participate in a meaningful way... ignore him.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 24 Jan, 2013 08:02 am
@H2O MAN,

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Frank A. has confirmed that it's a waste of time to discuss this issue with him, he's
way too emotional and irrational to participate in a meaningful way... ignore him.


I am not "too emotional" on this issue...and I am not irrational.

If you are going to ignore me...when will it start?

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spendius
 
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Thu 24 Jan, 2013 08:19 am
@BillRM,
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My bar owner friend that I had posted about here before greatly reduce his chances of being a victim of a gun crime when dropping off money at the bank drop box at night by wearing openly an old civil war revolve that look like a damn cannon.


What were the chances? There are X number of droppings off of money at the bank drop box in the US every year. And there are Y numbers of persons who were attacked in the process. What's the chances?

He did increase his chances of his teeth chattering and his knees knocking on his way to and from the bank. And he did increase his chances of somebody noticing that he likely had something valuable about his person and that it was worth approaching him in an attack from behind, suddenly.
parados
 
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Thu 24 Jan, 2013 08:42 am
@oralloy,
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Nothing has been skewed. It is a fact that gun availability has little impact on homicide rates.

Your source actually says something that is nothing like that. It states it can't determine whether it has an impact or not.

Quote:
Due to the many confounding factors that arise when attempting international comparisons, this approach would appear to hold little promise for determining the influence of gun levels (or handgun availability) on violence rates.
parados
 
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Thu 24 Jan, 2013 08:43 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

parados wrote:
In the US in the last 40 years, guns have killed more people than knives have. There really is not question.
Guns are used in 60-70% of homicides so they kill more than knives
Guns are used in 50% of suicides and knives are not the choice of most suicides.


Interesting trivia, but they'd still be just as dead if they were killed with knives instead.

Some would be just as dead but FEWER would be dead. It's a simple case of efficiency of a tool.
parados
 
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Thu 24 Jan, 2013 08:45 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:



Knives are far from ideal spree weapons. But most killings are one-on-one affairs, and knives are very deadly in those circumstances.

Oh.. so now you want to talk about one on one murders? Meanwhile Bill wants to avoid talking about one on one murders.

Quick change the subject to something else because the facts are starting to defeat you.
parados
 
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Thu 24 Jan, 2013 08:49 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:


No. The other tools may be less efficient. But they are still more than enough to result in a homicide. The end result is likely to be the number of victims staying about the same.

Right.. pillows kill as many people as guns because they are just as effective.
parados
 
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Thu 24 Jan, 2013 08:51 am
@BillRM,
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Nonsense as for mass killings home make bombs are must more effective then guns and produce one hell of a greater body count for example.

You keep trotting that out and yet...
Reality seems to make your argument ridiculous.

What mass killings have used bombs in the last 1o years?
H2O MAN
 
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Thu 24 Jan, 2013 08:56 am
@parados,
You may recall the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing

izzythepush
 
  1  
Thu 24 Jan, 2013 09:01 am
@H2O MAN,
You think 1995 was during the last ten years? That figures.
 

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