Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

@Joe Nation,

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Which lays bare the question: What might work to dismantle the secondary gun market? In the long run, Obama’s approach—go after the low-hanging fruit of assault weapons—may widen the door for future legal curbs on the sale of handguns.

This Slate article you're quoting is WAY out of touch with reality.

The Supreme Court has already ruled that people have the right to have handguns. They are on the verge (within a couple years) of ruling that people have the right to carry handguns when they go about in public (even in our largest cities).

When the Supreme Court finally deals with assault weapons, they will rule that people have the right to have assault weapons as well.

Meanwhile, the NRA will not allow Congress to pass any ban on assault weapons.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

oralloy wrote:
It was hardly a tangent. The fact that gun availability has very little impact on homicide rates is entirely on topic.

And where exactly does anyone find this fact?

It doesn't exist because it seems the NRA got congress to shut down any studies of homicide rates and gun ownership.

I've provided it to you many times over the years. Try "the useful website GunCite" (as Salon describes them).

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvinco.html
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvintl.html

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@parados,

parados wrote:

Guns are used in 68% of murders.
Guns are used in 51% of suicides.

They'd be just as dead if they were killed with some other device.

parados wrote:

Your argument is we shouldn't do anything about weapon used most often because people will just find another way?

It might depend on what you mean by "do anything about".

If you were to propose something that did not violate anyone's rights, there might not be a lot of objection (depending on the details of the proposal of course).

parados wrote:

Are guns effective or not?

Yes. But other methods of killing are also effective, so if guns are unavailable, killers still manage to find a way.

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@Joe Nation,

Joe Nation wrote:

Gun availability has very little impact on homicide rates.

True or False

Joe(This should be easy)Nation

True.

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@spendius,

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I don't know of any other leader who would do that. Or could do.

That reminds me of a story I read once, of an American couple who were on holiday in The Netherlands.
Walking round town, they saw Queen Beatrix going into a department store.
"Wasn't that the Queen?" they asked their host, "out by herself with no security? Who looks after her?"

"Why, we all do!", came the reply.

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@izzythepush,

Yes I know I am evil itself and why every once in a blue moon I read any of your worthless posts I do not know.

Neither logic or common sense mean anything to you and ever sense I called you out on your false statement that Americans did not died helping England out in it time of need before the Pearl Harbor attack you been doing your thing toward any position I had taken even when those position agree with your government own punishment levels for crimes or the majority of all US federal judges.

Back to not reading your nonsense as facts mean nothing to you only your childish need to mount personal attacks on myself matter.

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@BillRM,

I'm not particularly bothered with your nonsensical posts either. You've managed to avoid the main point, which is your ridiculous assertion that you're somehow freer than we are just because you can walk around brandishing guns.

You fail to grasp the point that we don't want guns, we prefer our police not to be armed. We don't have anywhere near as many people locked up. Jaywalking is not a crime, we can drink in public openly, no need to hide bottles in brown paper bags here. We don't compel our children to make pledges of allegiance to Queen or country. Our health needs are catered for by the NHS so we don't live in fear of falling ill in case we're made destitute. You spend about twice as much on health as we do as a proportion of GDP, but there are plenty of people in your country without adequate health provision.

You were the one who started calling us serfs, or serbs, which just shows your Geography is as bad as your History. What you call freedom is the freedom for the deranged to slaughter innocent children.

Hasn't it dawned on you that if what you describe as freedom were so precious everyone else would want it? The fact that nobody does should demonstate that it's worthless.

We're not freedom haters at all, we value real freedom. You don't understand what that is.

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Sorry Izzy but I am done reading your postings until the next blue moon at least, so have fun mounting worthless personal attacks on your favorite American cousin without any response from me.

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@BillRM,

Suits me.

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@hingehead,

hingehead wrote:

I bet all you freedom-hating liberals are dancing in the street.

Dancing on the ashes of dead babies, they are.

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Educational Video

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Gun Free Zones are hunting preserves for innocent people. Period.

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@H2O MAN,

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Gun Free Zones are hunting preserves for innocent people. Period.

The real fear/concern is that the ant-guns nuts will somehow overcome the constitution and turn the whole nation in to a hunting preserve and safe haven for armed criminals.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Gun Free Zones are hunting preserves for innocent people. Period.

The real fear/concern is that the ant-guns nuts will somehow overcome the constitution and turn the whole nation in to a hunting preserve and safe haven for armed criminals.

You got that right!

Stories are floating around again that Obama will try and use the U.N. treaty to disarm law abiding Americans.

He and Biden never, ever mention disarming criminals though...

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@BillRM,

I never think of armed criminals from one year end to the next. I've never seen one ever. I suppose I might do one day and I will be killed or injured by one.

But DIY accidents are a far greater danger imo. I avoid DIY. (Apart from Homebrew of course.)

But your stirring up of fear and anxiety Bill is just what the NRA want. And the medical profession. And the lawyers. And the security industry.

I bet you are all as alert as a fox when the hounds are closing in. You are a one man self-fulfilling prophet.

You never answered my question about "get your man card back" being a sales gimmick directed at the emasculated and directly appealing to that category of rough-rider.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

I never think of armed criminals from one year end to the next.

That's a problem... you may want to shift your focus.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

I don't understand the question (if one is being asked of me).

I was only referring to the sources ... they are indeed awesome.

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@H2O MAN,

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That's a problem... you may want to shift your focus.

No chance. I don't want to be jumping at every shadow and my eyes darting all over the place.

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