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Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Sat 19 Jan, 2013 01:15 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

How many deaths did the latest gold medal winner cause?
To get a correct answer, you should perhaps specify, what gold medal winner of the 15 events you mean. Or are you referring to latest as by time/date of the event?
oralloy
 
  -3  
Sat 19 Jan, 2013 01:22 pm
@jcboy,
jcboy wrote:
Nobody wants to talk about it but there is a large faction of this country who is ripe to take Obama out.


I doubt that.



jcboy wrote:
What the hell is wrong with this country, the racism and bigotry is brewing so ugly and not just being ramped up by churches, fox news, the NRA, feeding the people the info they need to ignite the hate.


All the NRA is doing is defending the Constitution.

I doubt Fox News is doing much more than just reporting the news.

I doubt most churches are doing anything other than preaching religion.



jcboy wrote:
West Point Military Study Warns Of ‘America’s Violent Far-Right’

Quote:
A study for the Combatting Terrorism Center, a think tank associated with the United States Military Academy at West Point, warns of the threat posed by rightwing extremists. It identifies the potential for violence in groups defined a “far-right,” and provides a “[C]onceptual foundation for understanding different far-right groups and then presents the empirical analysis of violent incidents to identify those perpetrating attacks.”


If Obama thinks he is going to crack down on Free Speech, he'll find that his assault on the First Amendment will fail just as badly as his assault on the Second did.

It'll be a bitter pill for him to swallow, but when he leaves office, America is still going to have all our freedom and liberty.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 19 Jan, 2013 01:26 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
oralloy wrote:
How many deaths did the latest gold medal winner cause?


To get a correct answer, you should perhaps specify, what gold medal winner of the 15 events you mean. Or are you referring to latest as by time/date of the event?


I don't think it matters. Has any sort of death ever resulted from any Olympic shooting event, under any circumstances whatsoever?
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33export
 
  3  
Sat 19 Jan, 2013 01:47 pm
@oralloy,
lol Happiness is a record setting body count, eh, Oral. The free-fire days gonna come to an end , if the voters have their say.
BillRM
 
  0  
Sat 19 Jan, 2013 01:49 pm
@jcboy,
Quote:
Nobody wants to talk about it but there is a large faction of this country who is ripe to take Obama out. What the hell is wrong with this country, the racism and bigotry is brewing so ugly and not just being ramped up by churches, fox news, the NRA, feeding the people the info they need to ignite the hate. I'm no conspiracy theorist but this reeks of conspiracy.


Well I voted for the man but I sure the hell do not agree with his attacks on the second amendment to say the least along it would seems with a large fraction of the population.

That does not turn us into racists or bigots or haters or would be presidential asssassins.

Even armed citizens have a first amendment right to express disagreement with their government leaders.

Jcboy is this some kind of new attack on the first amendment that any armed citizen who disagree strongly with the president is de facto a danger to the president and should be on some terrorist watch list?

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spendius
 
  3  
Sat 19 Jan, 2013 02:30 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
No. The Taliban hate freedom almost as much as Barack Obama does.


You might as well put "orange marmalade" instead of "freedom" in that oralloy.

Or "knicker elastic". They would all make equivalent sense.

The leader of the Taliban is far freer that the leader of the USA who is obviously well under the cosh. His missus made him stop smoking.

Do you shave regularly? I bet you are right little goody-goody two shoes when sitting down for a Thanksgiving dinner.

You're actually like Gulliver. Chained down by a few thousand silken threads. It's the frustration of that causing your yearning for freedom. And you think your expressions of the yearning convince us that you are free.

I bet the geezer in the shop is pussy whipped all to ****. I bet he lays his noddle at night on a soft pillow with his name embroidered on it.

oralloy
 
  -2  
Sat 19 Jan, 2013 02:36 pm
@33export,
33export wrote:
The free-fire days gonna come to an end , if the voters have their say.


I presume by that you are predicting some sort of Constitutional violation.


First, you don't seem to have much grasp what the voters actually say. There is a very good reason why politicians are terrified of crossing the NRA. It is because they get voted out of office when they do so.

Notice how Congress has not only backed away from passing a ban on assault weapons, but now they are not even going to pass limits on high capacity magazines?


And second, the voters actually don't have a say. You see, there are these nine guys/gals in Washington who like to strike down laws that violate the Constitution.....
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Sat 19 Jan, 2013 02:45 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
You're actually like Gulliver. Chained down by a few thousand silken threads. It's the frustration of that causing your yearning for freedom. And you think your expressions of the yearning convince us that you are free.


No yearning here. I don't need to pine away about how nice it would be if only I had rights. As an American, I have rights.
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MontereyJack
 
  3  
Sat 19 Jan, 2013 02:47 pm
yep, nine guys and gals who don't support your and the NRA's view that the second amendment is unlimited. They've said so specifically in Heller, and will say so again when your cockamamie viewpoint comes before them. And the NRA is subservient to them, not the other way round.
spendius
 
  3  
Sat 19 Jan, 2013 02:49 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
He's probably carrying it as a statement of defiance against the gun banners who are so desperate to violate his rights.


Natch they are desperate. Going about their business with you lot mixed in amongst them, well disguised, looks to be a serious danger to their well-being.

We know that the gun industry has saturated its customer base because guns don't become unserviceable very quickly and so it is encouraging a high murder rate in order to expand that base. It is trying to frighten the unarmed into getting tooled up.

When you have 1,00o rounds of ammo how much explosive do you own?

Could you shoot round corners with a bullet polished on one side and rough on the other out of a barrel with no rifling? Like a fast bowler does in cricket.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Sat 19 Jan, 2013 02:56 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
yep, nine guys and gals who don't support your and the NRA's view that the second amendment is unlimited.


Neither I nor the NRA have ever expressed any such view.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Sat 19 Jan, 2013 03:08 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
Natch they are desperate. Going about their business with you lot mixed in amongst them, well disguised, looks to be a serious danger to their well-being.


They'll get used to it. We are only a couple years from a Supreme Court ruling that Americans have the right to carry guns whenever we go about in public, even in our largest cities.



spendius wrote:
We know that the gun industry has saturated its customer base because guns don't become unserviceable very quickly and so it is encouraging a high murder rate in order to expand that base.


No they aren't.



spendius wrote:
It is trying to frighten the unarmed into getting tooled up.


Most people carry guns because they choose to be prepared, not because they are frightened.



spendius wrote:
When you have 1,00o rounds of ammo how much explosive do you own?


Not sure. But in any case, it would depend on what sort of gun they were rounds for.



spendius wrote:
Could you shoot round corners with a bullet polished on one side and rough on the other out of a barrel with no rifling? Like a fast bowler does in cricket.


I have no idea, but I doubt it. Would the air resistance on the rough part be all that great?
spendius
 
  3  
Sat 19 Jan, 2013 03:59 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
No they aren't.


That's no answer in an adult conversation. You rely on such blurts far too often.

Quote:
Most people carry guns because they choose to be prepared, not because they are frightened.


That's incoherent.

Quote:
Not sure. But in any case, it would depend on what sort of gun they were rounds for.


That's an evasion. You must have some idea of the weight of propellant in an average shell.

Quote:
I have no idea, but I doubt it. Would the air resistance on the rough part be all that great?


It is so great that even the very slight surface differences of a polished all round bullet are what make the rifling necessary.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Sat 19 Jan, 2013 04:22 pm
@spendius,
Don't be too hard on Oralboy, he doesn't have broadband. He's from some fly-blown speck of **** in the middle of nowhere where they're all descended from the same pig.
spendius
 
  2  
Sat 19 Jan, 2013 05:59 pm
@izzythepush,
I gather from the news that Mr Obarmy has announced that the US is "ready to provide any assistance necessary" in the Magreb where the lines on maps are nothing else but lines on maps. I wonder what assistance he has in mind now that the crisis has ended. Something really ballsy I imagine like a teleprompter.

Perhaps our gung-ho gunners should be posted there to see what absence of gun control looks like when one is not writing one's own scripts.
realjohnboy
 
  2  
Sat 19 Jan, 2013 06:43 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

... now that the crisis has ended.

It may have ended for now.
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roger
 
  1  
Sat 19 Jan, 2013 06:55 pm
@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

spendius wrote:
Could you shoot round corners with a bullet polished on one side and rough on the other out of a barrel with no rifling? Like a fast bowler does in cricket.


I have no idea, but I doubt it. Would the air resistance on the rough part be all that great?


Bullets usually rotate like little gyroscopes, and given their momentum, that corner would have to have a really large radius. On the other hand, one barrel of a little derringer seems to defy physics and seems to shoot around corners. I just can't remember which barrel shoots more or less straight ahead.
BillRM
 
  1  
Sat 19 Jan, 2013 06:59 pm
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/19/pro-gun-rallies/1847739/


The recurring message from state capitals: Responsible gun owners should be left alone.
Hundreds of gun supporters rally at the Statehouse, Saturday.(Photo: Jim Cole, AP)
Story Highlights
Protesters said they were opposed to stricter gun-control measures
1,000 people turned out for the rally in Hartford, 50 miles from Newtown
Gatherings took place just days after President Obama announced his gun proposals
Thousands of gun rights supporters gathered at state capitols around the country Saturday to rally against new laws to regulate on firearms proposed by President Obama in the wake of last month's school shooting in Connecticut.

The crowds included people of all ages, some waving flags and holding signs saying "Don't Tread on Me" and "Stand behind the Second Amendment."

A recurring message was that responsible gun owners should be left alone.

"The current administration wants to control every aspect of our lives," Alabama Agriculture Commissioner John McMillan said to the crowd at the state capitol in Montgomery. "We need to use our state motto — 'Dare to defend our rights.' "

The rallies were part of a grass-roots effort, called Guns Across America, initiated by Texas resident Eric Reed. The group's Facebook page listed plans for protests in 46 states.

Police in Connecticut said about 1,000 people showed up on the capitol grounds in Hartford, about 50 miles from the site of last month's mass shooting at Newtown's Sandy Hook Elementary School. Demonstrators there urged state and federal authorities not to introduce new restrictions on gun ownership as task forces created by the Legislature and Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy consider changes to state gun laws.

In Albany, N.Y., several thousand people aimed their protests at Gov. Andrew Cuomo, who this week signed legislation that puts a tighter ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. Protesters chanted "Freedom," "U.S.A." and "Cuomo's Gotta Go." Some gun owners said they are being unfairly targeted by the new law.

James Wilson carries a "Come and take it" flag Saturday during a gun rights demonstration on the lawn of the Capitol in Montgomery, Ala. Dave Martin, APRelated story
FullscreenGun rights supporters demonstrate Saturday outside the Capitol in Albany, N.Y. It was one of many gun rights demonstrations around the nation Saturday. New York this week passed the nation's toughest restrictions on assault weapon and high-capacity ammunition magazines. Tim Roske, APRelated storyFullscreen
Tea bags hang from the hat of Steve Wandtke during a Guns Across America rally at the state capitol in Austin. Texas officials opposed to federal gun-control proposals planned to speak at the rally. Eric Gay, APRelated storyFullscreen
Hundreds of gun rights supporters rally at the Statehouse in Concord, N.H. The protest was one of many across the nation held just days after President Obama unveiled a sweeping plan to curb gun violence. Jim Cole, APRelated storyFullscreen
At the Iowa capitol in Des Moines, state Rep. Tom Shaw told the crowd that serving overseas in the Navy had taught him the importance of allowing average citizens to defend themselves against dictators.

"I saw the eyes of the oppressed ... screaming for freedom," Shaw said. "I'm going to make sure that never happens in America and never happens in Iowa."

Chris Chaney, 23, of Davenport, Iowa, said he's disgusted by what he sees as the use of children's deaths in the Connecticut school shooting to win political support for gun-control legislation.

"If we give up liberty in the name of security, we will have neither," Chaney said. "Everybody has a right to defend themselves against evil people and tyranny."

Nearly 100 gun advocates drove from across South Dakota to attend a rally under the state's capitol dome in Pierre, where speakers praised gun rights as the only defense against tyranny and crime.

"When you try to take away our right to bear guns, you're trying to tear our country down," said Jeff Monroe, a state senator who addressed the crowd.

There were no actual firearms visible at the rally, which was held inside the Capitol where only law enforcement officers are allowed to be armed.

But a rally in Frankfort, Ky., drew hundreds of participants, several shouldering firearms and wearing holsters, and Tea Party leader David Adams told the crowd, "Our government is out of control."

U.S. Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., received a large round of applause for announcing this week that he wants to introduce legislation to overturn Obama's recent executive orders on firearms and for saying teachers should be armed at schools.

Authorities reported no problems at an rallies, which remained peaceful Saturday afternoon.

Contributing: Matt Okarmus of the Montgomery (Ala.) Advertiser, Joseph Spector of the Gannett Albany (N.Y.) Bureau, Jens Manuel Krogsatad of The Des Moines Register, David Montgomery of the (Sioux Falls, S.D.) Argus Leader, Tom Loftus or The (Louisville, Ky.) Courier-Journal, Terricha Bradley of the (Jackson, Miss.) Clarion-Ledger; The Associated Press
MontereyJack
 
  3  
Sat 19 Jan, 2013 10:27 pm
@BillRM,
SATURDAY WAS GUN APPRECIATION DAY.
5 PEOPLE WERE SHOT AT GUN SHOWS ON GUN APPRECIATION DAY.
GIVES A WHOLE NEW MEANING TO "GUN APPRECIATION"
WAY TO GO, GUN-NUTS.
BillRM
 
  0  
Sun 20 Jan, 2013 06:31 am
@MontereyJack,
LOL three with bird shots from a shotgun.

It would seems that there are one hell of a lot of new people going to gun shows thank to the greatest gun salesman in the history of this nation Obama and they therefore need to tighten up on safety

Just as when there are deaths or people harm at air shows or car races or even on fair ground rides for that matter.

But due to the harm not even deaths in these cases being cause by guns instead of a crashing plane into a crowd or a car doing the same into a crowd or a fair ride ending up killing someone it is far more evil event.........lol
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