Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

re H2O
No. I don't ignore it. I celebrate it. It's you that ignores the consequences of your misguided opinions. The more guns, the more bar fights turn from fists to fatalities, the more road rage leads to someone lieing cold in the road, the more a landlord kills his teenage tenants in a dispute over a parking space, the more often someone kills his wife and two neighbors because he didn't like the way she fixed his eggs, the more often innocent kids are killed in driveby shootings, the more often bullied kids take their granddad's guns and shoot up their school. That's America. We're not a particularly polite society now(you're not at all polite, incidentally). You're heading whatever society we've got toward anarchy and chaos. We're trying to put a finger in the dike, you're trying to tear the dike down.

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You liberal democrats sure like to talk about killing
people and how to kill people... what's up with that?

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Proof:

MontereyJack wrote:

uh, sturgis, have you noticed the names people like oralloy and h2oman have been using for years for democrats? not to mention the haters on radio and the media, like rush limbaugh, ann coulter, michael savage, and on and on.

http://cdn.motinetwork.net/politifake.org/image/political/1207/liberals-cry-like-babies-democrats-obama-politics-1341654866.jpg

Won't someone please think of the children!

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Oh, hardly. We do, though, enjoy rubbing rabid rightwingers noses in the fact that, when they get their asses in a twist because they get called an occasional name by somebody on the left, that they have had a virtual industry for years calling liberals far worse names. And what tender senibilities they have when their own faults are exposed (like you).

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A university study came out today stating that the total number of guns in Australia has reached the pre gun buyback levels of 1996. It's kind of vindication of our laws that
a) Gun homicide hasn't risen
b) People into guns can still get guns
c) Urban/suburban guns can't be stored at home without a damn good reason (preparedness for home invasion is not a good reason)
d) We still have olympic shooters, hunting shooters, blah blah shooters
e) The guns we do have are not military style semi-automatics

We still have gun homicides though nothing approaching the scale of the Port Arthur Massacre. And our mental health system is as dysfunctional as the USA's sounds.

Growing up in my neighbourhood a guy shot his parents in-law in a fight about god knows what. Do you think if he had to go to his local gun club and try and remove the gun his blood pressure mind explosion would still be peaking by the time he got back?

It's up to the US to decide what it wants to do but it should keep in mind:

a) Gun Control is not banning guns outright it's a compromise that reduces their availability outside the purpose for which they are owned.
b) The chief KPI is not eliminating gun violence - it is reducing it, particularly mass shootings and spur of the moment killings.

The posters here who don't even want to discuss it (effectively covering their ears and yelling 2nd amendment), and cite the reason that they need their guns is to fight a coming oppressive government regime are kidding themselves/us that that is the REAL* reason they don't want their guns removed - if it's true that the citizens of your country's only or even main defense against a dictatorial government is bullets you've already lost.

And if they live in fear of home invasion or attack from gun toting citizens constantly - well, I actually feel very bad for them - that is a **** of way to spend your life. My deepest sympathies.

*I have no idea what the real reason is, but I suspect it's actually personal rather than national.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

uh, sturgis, have you noticed the names people like oralloy and h2oman have been using for years for democrats? not to mention the haters on radio and the media, like rush limbaugh, ann coulter, michael savage, and on and on.

What names have I been using for years for Democrats?

You mean where I occasionally prop up Gunga's tags? That's mostly because the tag attacks on him are beyond the pale.

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@hingehead,

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*I have no idea what the real reason is, but I suspect it's actually personal rather than national.

I am absolutely certain hinge. It was admitted by the "get your Man card back" promotion. Even the industry takes the piss out of them.

I wonder what made them feel so unmanned. And it's beyond me why buying a Bushmaster can cure it. Maybe it's the "master" bit. None of them know what the real bush is like.

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@hingehead,

hingehead wrote:

A university study came out today stating that the total number of guns in Australia has reached the pre gun buyback levels of 1996. It's kind of vindication of our laws that
a) Gun homicide hasn't risen

As if it mattered whether the dead were killed with a gun verses some other weapon?

hingehead wrote:

b) People into guns can still get guns

But not the sorts of guns that free people have the right to have.

hingehead wrote:

c) Urban/suburban guns can't be stored at home without a damn good reason (preparedness for home invasion is not a good reason)

Yes. It is a shame you are no longer free people.

hingehead wrote:

e) The guns we do have are not military style semi-automatics

Having harmless cosmetic features like a pistol grip does not make a gun "military style".

Your lack of freedom is duly noted.

hingehead wrote:

It's up to the US to decide what it wants to do but it should keep in mind:
a) Gun Control is not banning guns outright it's a compromise that reduces their availability outside the purpose for which they are owned.

That depends on the gun control. Some proposals are bans.

But it doesn't matter. If your "compromise" is a violation of our civil rights, you don't get to do it.

hingehead wrote:

The posters here who don't even want to discuss it (effectively covering their ears and yelling 2nd amendment), and cite the reason that they need their guns is to fight a coming oppressive government regime are kidding themselves/us that that is the REAL* reason they don't want their guns removed - if it's true that the citizens of your country's only or even main defense against a dictatorial government is bullets you've already lost.

And if they live in fear of home invasion or attack from gun toting citizens constantly - well, I actually feel very bad for them - that is a **** of way to spend your life. My deepest sympathies.

*I have no idea what the real reason is, but I suspect it's actually personal rather than national.

The real reason is: we refuse to give up our freedom and join you in serfdom.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

I wonder what made them feel so unmanned.

I wonder what makes Freedom Haters engage in bigoted stereotypes and childish name-calling.

spendius wrote:

None of them know what the real bush is like.

Some people do, and some people don't. And tarring a large group of people with a sweeping lie is a poor substitute for a well-reasoned argument.

Bushmaster is a type of a snake I believe.

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@oralloy,

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The real reason is: we refuse to give up our freedom and join you in serfdom.

I have seen Aussie beer ads that wouldn't be allowed in the USA.

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oralloy says:

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I wonder what makes Freedom Haters engage in bigoted stereotypes and childish name-calling.

As opposed to calling people Freedom Haters?

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@oralloy,

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I wonder what makes Freedom Haters engage in bigoted stereotypes and childish name-calling.

Hey oralloy. It wasn't me. It was the gun ad offering to give you your man card back. What made them think you needed it? And that buying the gun would return it.

You quoted me out of context. I didn't say you were unmanned.

You seem a bit rattled old boy. We all know it's a dick problem. Are you not aware of that? Our discretion should not confuse you.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

As opposed to calling people Freedom Haters?

It's a nice accurate term. It's concise and highly factual.

It also associates the gun control movement with the terrorists (who also hate our freedom).

It's perfect.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

You quoted me out of context. I didn't say you were unmanned.

You seem a bit rattled old boy. We all know it's a dick problem. Are you not aware of that? Our discretion should not confuse you.

No, you very much did mean to say it. And you just did it again there in your last paragraph.

Your bigotry and childish name-calling is a very poor substitute for a well-reasoned argument.

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re oralloy:
That is the most complete and utter bullshit in two lines I think I've ever seen. You''re the childish one.

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No, I was wrong. It took you three lines.

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@hingehead,

Superb post, Hingehead...and dead on the mark in most places. The proof of that should come from comments like those from Oralloy.

As Freud said, "Sometimes a gun is just a gun!"

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@oralloy,

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Not likely. Gun availability has little impact on homicide and suicide rates.

Says you who quotes statistics that don't adjust for anything.

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