Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

@H2O MAN,

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5223141)

FrankA, ask Obama & Biden why they refuse to address the problem of criminals being armed.

Ask them why they want to prevent law abiding citizens from defending themselves from armed predators.

Ask them why they fear a populace of law abiding citizens being armed.

Okay, I'll try to do that.

But right now I am asking you a question about the excesses in your comments.

What do you think you will gain for your argument by writing stuff like I mentioned earlier?

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Your reading comprehensioin is off, oralloy. McCrystal was talking about assault weapons and their semiautomatic civilian versions, not hunting rifles. Stop trying to red-herring the discussion.

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H2O, I notice you don't cite any verifiable facts again, as usual.

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@Val Killmore,

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And regarding logistical support, it only takes one who can do simple arithmetic quickly and have talent in organizing to run smooth such an operation that you mentioned. It's not like you need a rocket science major to do it. The difficult part is attaining the supplies in the first place.

Now that is funny.. Anyone can support an army. The difficult part is getting the materials to support an army. Laughing

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Criminals with guns, that's the problem that no liberal democratic wants to address.
Criminals love a target rich environment so democrats plan to expand 'gun free' killing zones nationwide.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Your reading comprehensioin is off, oralloy. McCrystal was talking about assault weapons and their semiautomatic civilian versions, not hunting rifles. Stop trying to red-herring the discussion.

Nope. He specifically referred to low-powered hunting rounds designed for killing small animals like foxes and coyotes and gophers, saying that this was too much power for civilians to have.

While he did not address more powerful weapons like deer rifles, given that his objection to low-power rifles was that they were "too powerful", it is safe to assume that he'd have the same objection to a rifle with a lot more power.

But even if McChrystal had really been talking about guns with harmless cosmetic features, the question would remain the same. Are 100,000 Americans being shot with assault weapons every year?

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

Criminals with guns, that's the problem that no liberal democratic wants to address.
Criminals love a target rich environment so democrats plan to expand 'gun free' killing zones nationwide.

And yet when a criminal is charged with using a gun for assault, you turn around and blame the police. As you just did earlier in this thread where a person used a weapon in Chicago.

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Obama & Biden do not respect individual rights and freedoms... neither do criminals.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:

Criminals with guns, that's the problem that no liberal democratic wants to address.
Criminals love a target rich environment so democrats plan to expand 'gun free' killing zones nationwide.

And yet when a criminal is charged with using a gun for assault, you turn around and blame the police.

I blame the criminal, not the police and not the weapon the criminal uses.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

H2O, I notice you don't cite any verifiable facts again, as usual.

Whether we go with McChrystal's actual call to ban all hunting rifles, or with a call to ban harmless cosmetic features, where are the facts showing that 100,000 Americans a year are being shot with either type of weapon?

In fact, add "all Americans shot with assault weapons" to "all Americans shot with hunting rifles". Is the combined number anywhere near 100,000 per year?

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

I don't see the significance of focusing on the method used. If those people were killed with knives instead of with guns, they'd still be just as dead.

Ah yes. The IF statement that becomes a true statement instead of IF. Standard faulty logic. If those people weren't killed by knives they would be much more alive than those killed by guns. You can't assume that knives would kill as many people as guns because there are no facts to support that assumption.

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Liberal Idiocracy:

Obama & Biden wanting to ban law abiding Americans from owning guns is like Obama & Biden
wanting to take a dump on the children's graves and wipe their asses with copies of the constitution.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

You can't assume that knives would kill as many people as guns because there are no facts to support that assumption.

Sure I can, because there are indeed such facts. Comparisons of gun availability verses homicide/suicide rates across nations show that gun availability has little impact on either.

Perhaps focusing on knives alone oversimplified the matter (there are lots of ways people use to kill if they can't get guns), but it made the point effectively.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

homicide/suicide rates

Which is a nice way of ignoring accidental deaths, accidental injuries, and mass shootings.

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@DrewDad,

Why are you and others ignoring the need to get the guns out of the hands of criminals?

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

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The rate of firearm homicides was 20 times higher in the United States than in the other countries, according to the report, which cited a 2011 study of 23 countries. And though suicide rates were lower in the United States, firearm suicide rates were six times higher.

I don't see the significance of focusing on the method used. If those people were killed with knives instead of with guns, they'd still be just as dead.

True. But if you had read the survey, you certainly would know why these figures were presented (hint: it's mentioned in the NYT-article and the Brief Report, too).

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oralloy, I've reread the McChrystal statement and he is talking about assault weapons. No mention of hunting rifles. That's only your wildly exaggerated interpretation. And you and the NRA are losing this battle, and about time. Look at the number of states coming up with tighter regulation of guns. Look at the Feds. Look at the widespread majority disgust in the country with the proliferation of guns and gun violence and the majority support for much tighter checks on the proliferation. and look at the redrawing going on of statutes on gun proliferation in general. there's been a turning point here and you haven't turned.

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@H2O MAN,

Waterdude wrote:

Obama & Biden wanting to ban law abiding Americans from owning guns is like Obama & Biden wanting to take a dump on the children's graves and wipe their asses with copies of the constitution.

Wow Waterdude! You continue to amaze me--you've managed to open your mouth wide enough to get both feet in there while eating a Whopper.

You sir are a world class idiocrat.

Rap

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@MontereyJack,

Look at the number of states coming up with laws that make it easier for law abiding citizens to carry concealed weapons.

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@raprap,

Rap, you are waiting in line with Obama & Biden.

Did you bring your own copy of the constitution or are you sharing with Biden?

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