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Gen. McChrystal: Assault rifles are for battlefields, not schools
Jane C. Timm, @janestreet
01/08/2013

Former Gen. Stanley McChrystal, who led the war in Afghanistan, endorsed strong gun control laws Tuesday on Morning Joe.

“I spent a career carrying typically either an M16 or an M4 Carbine. An M4 Carbine fires a .223 caliber round which is 5.56 mm at about 3000 feet per second. When it hits a human body, the effects are devastating. It’s designed for that,” McChrystal explained. “That’s what our soldiers ought to carry. I personally don’t think there’s any need for that kind of weaponry on the streets and particularly around the schools in America.”

The AR-15, the civilian version of an M-16 or M-4, has been the weapon of choice in many recent mass shootings —both Adam Lanza and James Holmes used them in Newtown and Aurora, respectively. Since Lanza massacred 20 young children in Newtown, Connecticut, gun control has returned to DC’s front-burner and the president has called for strict gun control measures.

“We’ve got to take a serious look—I understand everyone’s desire to have whatever they want—but we’ve got to protect our children, we’ve got to protect our police, we’ve got to protect our population,” McChrystal said. “Serious action is necessary. Sometimes we talk about very limited actions on the edges and I just don’t think that’s enough.”

McChrystal led the American and NATO forces in Afghanistan, but resigned amidst scandal after Rolling Stone magazine published a controversial profile that portrayed the General and his staff as dismissive and disrespectful of the president.

Tragic shooting sprees aside, McChrystal also pointed to the more deadly and common gun violence—32 people die each day from gun violence—as another reason he believes gun control is necessary.

“The number of people in America killed by firearms is extraordinary compared to other nations, and I don’t think we’re a bloodthirsty country,” he said. “We need to look at everything we can do to safeguard our people.”

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/01/08/former-gen-mcchrystal-assault-rifles-are-for-battlefields-not-schools/

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@firefly,

............... Are you saying the .223 caliber round which is 5.56 mm is all that and a bag of chips?

Isn't this the same caliber that most states prohibit the use of when hunting deer because the caliber is not large enough?

Did you know that most hunters prefer .308/7.62mm or greater calibers?

firefly, do you have a clear understanding of what you have read about guns?

Do you have any real world experience shooting and maintaining firearms?

All of us, the entire country should be focused on the US
economy, tax reform and shrinking the federal government.

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@firefly,

firefly wrote:

oralloy wrote:
The NRA will not allow it.

The NRA has no business dictating medical or health care practices. The NRA has no right to infringe on the First Amendment free speech rights of physicians, particularly in the context of their confidential relationships with patients.

Wrong. We have the power to prevent you from using medicine to violate our rights, and we have exercised that power.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

A flat out ban, 3 months to hand them in without compensation after which 5 years for possession and life for use in furtherance of a crime. That would halve the murder rate, at least, and require a determination to massacre to be of a higher order than it is now when a temper tantrum can suffice.

The Freedom Haters don't have the power to do that.

But if they did, it would have a negligible impact on our murder rate.

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@firefly,

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An M4 Carbine fires a .223 caliber round which is 5.56 mm at about 3000 feet per second. When it hits a human body, the effects are devastating. It’s designed for that,” McChrystal explained. “That’s what our soldiers ought to carry. I personally don’t think there’s any need for that kind of weaponry on the streets and particularly around the schools in America.”

In other words, McChrystal wants to ban ALL centerfire hunting rifles.

That Rolling Stones article may have been an untrue pack of lies, but thank God they got this freak booted out of the military anyway.

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@oralloy,

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Just because people care about our freedom, that doesn't justify calling them idiots.

Correct. But when they continually say idiotic things, that does.

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

............... Are you saying the .223 caliber round which is 5.56 mm is all that and a bag of chips?

Isn't this the same caliber that most states prohibit the use of when hunting deer because the caliber is not large enough?

She was quoting General McChrystal, the guy who was in charge of Afghanistan when Obama came into office, but then got fired because Rolling Stone printed an untrue article that made it sound like he was insubordinate.

Safe to say McChrystal actually knows what he was talking about, and therefore actually wants all hunting rifles to be banned.

(Though it's certainly a given that Firefly hasn't a clue what she was cut-n-pasting.)

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@H2O MAN,

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Do you have any real world experience shooting and maintaining firearms?

Are you saying that Gen. McChrystal doesn't have that experience? Laughing

Those are his comments, not mine.

I'll defer to his experience regarding weaponry.

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@oralloy,

Quote ~~~~~~~~~~~ But if they did, it would have a negligible impact on our murder rate.......................................:-0

Only a person using his ~ dick -gun head brain, could make a statement like that.

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@firefly,

My questions were directed to you, and only you.

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firefly, do you have a clear understanding of what you have read about guns?

Do you have any real world experience shooting and maintaining firearms?

Are you going to answer the questions, or would you rather giggle to yourself and ignore them?

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I'll defer to his experience regarding weaponry.

Because you have zero real world experience?

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@H2O MAN,

Those weren't my comments--they were made by Gen. McChrystal.

Surely you don't think he's anti-gun do you?

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@tenderfoot,

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Quote ~~~~~~~~~~~ But if they did, it would have a negligible impact on our murder rate.......................................:-0

Only a person using his ~ dick -gun head brain, could make a statement like that.

True that guns laws will not make getting your hands on guns anymore hard to do then the drugs laws had done concerning street drugs.

Laws are not magic.

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@oralloy,

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The Freedom Haters don't have the power to do that.

Only because they are frightened of being called Freedom Haters more than they are frightened of an endless series of massacres.

Do you think I am frightened of being called a Freedom Hater oralloy? I don't give two fucks actually and it surprises me that anybody of even average intelligence would be cowed by a stupid assertion of such an infantile nature.

The Taliban accepts your argument though. I will admit that. Its members object to being disarmed.

Five years after the first stage of my plan the police would be disarmed as well, except for special, highly trained units, and a lot less of them would fail to come home after a shift to their wives and kids.

A government in hock to the NRA is a pretend government. What about the Tourist Board and the cost of half-baked wimpy programmes?

You failed to address those points. I can see why the medical profession, and its outliers, would be on your side though. The undertakers too. Media even. Dramatic headlines sells wood pulp and generates attention to the flickering screen.

I'm sure glad I'm not thousands of bucks up my shirt because my fellow citizens scare me. That's a freedom I value.

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@firefly,

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Those weren't my comments--they were made by Gen. McChrystal.

The question does still come to mind had you in your long life ever fire a firearm even once?

Somehow given that your postings tend to show complete lack of personal knowledge of the subject my bet would be that you have never been around guns of any types.

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@BillRM,

Do you mean that ff is not as macho as you Bill?

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@BillRM,

Stop trying to distract from the statements Gen. McChrystal made.

Finally, we're getting clear public statements from people like that, those who are the most highly experienced with assault weapons, and who are not anti-gun, and whose comments urging serious gun control measures are not so easily dismissed.

I don't wonder that McChrystal's remarks might make you gung-ho gun-lobby groupies want to try to change the subject.

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@firefly,

LOL firefly, civilians can't own a M4 carbine or the M16 that the current military uses, unless you jump through a LOT of hoops, and also it is illegal by federal law to own fully automatics but in some states, the state laws doesn't make it illegal to own such fully automatic guns, and local and State authorities are not obligated to enforce federal firearms law.
And he is right, in almost all states you can't open carry or conceal carry aren't likely to permit carrying a fully automatic weapon and only allow the carry of semiautomatic and revolvers.
M4 carbine, and M16's variants, logically would be the fully automatic rifles, however he seems to include "assault" rifles. This ex-General isn't all too clear when he said that, however he seems to be good at making a fool of himself. You'd think he'd learn to keep his mouth shut after the rolling stone scandal. My god, how clueless is this man? And to think he made it to be a General. He must have been a real card on the battlefield.

People fail to understand, hunting rifles are far more powerful and more damaging than assault rifles.

Assault rifles are mid-powered cartridges designed to WOUND 160 to 200 pound humans at less than 400 yards
Hunting rifles are full powered cartridges intended to KILL large game over 300 lbs as quickly as possible, at ranges from 100 to 1000 yards.

All of this propaganda about how extra dangerous military rounds are is funny to a person who knows about guns, military rounds have always been common in hunting weapons, even the modern mid-powered rounds are used for mid sized and small game. The Bushmaster AR-15 is a common varmint rifle. (varmints are smaller than humans btw)
A gun is a gun, they are all more than capable of killing a human being.

I wonder if Mc Chrystal owns a "assault" rifle?

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@tenderfoot,

tenderfoot wrote:

Only a person using his ~ dick -gun head brain, could make a statement like that.

You Freedom Haters sure get childish when you are prevented from violating people's civil rights.

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@firefly,

firefly wrote:

Those weren't my comments--they were made by Gen. McChrystal.

Surely you don't think he's anti-gun do you?

Of course he is. He just proposed banning all hunting rifles.

Thank God that Rolling Stone article got that freak booted out of the military.

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