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Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

 
 
firefly
 
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Sat 5 Jan, 2013 12:21 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:

Luckily, the NRA has far more power over those people than you do.

Don't count on that.Laughing There are a lot of others, like me, who are concerned about gun violence in this country and who are making noise about it now.

The NRA doesn't vote--individual citizens do.
oralloy
 
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Sat 5 Jan, 2013 12:24 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
Firearms are used for most of the homicides in this country.


And it would be so much better if all those people were killed with knives instead???
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firefly
 
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Sat 5 Jan, 2013 12:28 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
It would be better if the dead were all killed with knives?


People, including innocent bystanders, and children, get hit and killed by stray bullets. Know many hit and killed by stray knives, oralloy? Laughing


oralloy
 
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Sat 5 Jan, 2013 12:30 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Luckily, the NRA has far more power over those people than you do.


Don't count on that.Laughing


Recall that a few hours after the NRA broke their week of silence and made their first speech, the House Democrats announced that they were going to focus on a magazine ban alone, and not on any assault weapons bans.



firefly wrote:
There are a lot of others, like me, who are concerned about gun violence in this country and who are making noise about it now.


Being noisy doesn't make you powerful.



firefly wrote:
The NRA doesn't vote


Oh yes we do.



firefly wrote:
--individual citizens do.


Plenty of individual citizens in rural districts vote for and against whoever the NRA asks them to.
oralloy
 
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Sat 5 Jan, 2013 12:33 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
People, including innocent bystanders, and children, get hit and killed by stray bullets. Know many hit and killed by stray knives, oralloy? Laughing


Bombs kill innocent bystanders too.
Val Killmore
 
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Sat 5 Jan, 2013 12:33 pm
@hingehead,
hingehead wrote:

Quote:
Some actors in this video demanding a "plan" to end gun violence are ******* hypocrites, as they play characters in movies which partake in graphic gun violence.

Yeah, that makes sense. Anyone who has played Hitler should pay war reparations and be sentenced to death. Get a grip.


Learn to read proper english, but thanks for establishing Godwin's law, hingehead.
If these "grass roots" movement are intent on having "famous" advocates with similar beliefs speak for them publically, pick people with better image than action movie stars that glamorizes gun violence and erratic driving all in hopes to line their pockets.
I don't know what is funnier: seeing these ******* cum drinkers try to give a sincere and concerned look, or their agents being so stupid that they think I'm stupid enough to give a rats ass what these sell out traitorous worthless hypocrite cowards pretend to think, as they read the teleprompter script written by a team of psychologists, neurologists, and marketers
Hollywood’s hypocritical banal preachiness at its finest. Such is the ideology of ******* Hollywood celebrities: I am worth more, therefore I am more important in a conversation.
Now hingehead do you want to me teach you how to spell HYPOCRISY?

Can someone give these fools a towel to wipe the egg off their faces?
Val Killmore
 
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Sat 5 Jan, 2013 12:34 pm
@McTag,
Never did I say forget about it Scot, and I understand perfectly clear that old wounds teach us valuable lessons, but what I was getting at is that it is not good to tear open old wounds for the sake of promoting one's own self interests.

Newtown residents who know of Giffords' visiting their town, should realize that the former congresswoman objected armed security or police at her rallies, especially after she and every congressman were briefed of the potential for terrorist attack on them, and were offered armed security at their command. It is said that she doesn't like armed guards around her, because of the "bad" image it projects, despite previous threats in her rallies. By having setup an organized security, such as police officers near the premisses and by her at her rally, she could have saved the lives of innocent people, especially 9 year old Christina-Taylor Green, but because of her naive beliefs, that tragedy had more innocent victims in its wake. The irony is that now she gladly accepts the idea of being followed by armed security everywhere she goes.
firefly
 
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Sat 5 Jan, 2013 12:36 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:

Recall that a few hours after the NRA broke their week of silence and made their first speech, the House Democrats announced that they were going to focus on a magazine ban alone, and not on any assault weapons bans.

Sorry, oralloy, I don't think the new congressional task force will just focus on ammunition clips. Several of these people have previously advocated assault weapons control--and one of them is going to introduce a new bill to ban assault weapons.

Maybe you should come up for air and try following the news.

Quote:
Thompson announces vice chairs for Gun Violence Prevention Task Force
04 January 2013
Lake County News reports

Congressman Mike Thompson (CA-5), chair of a congressional Gun Violence Prevention Task Force, on Friday announced 12 vice chairs to serve on the task force.

The vice chairs and Thompson will make up the task force’s leadership team.

“I am proud to announce our leadership team for the Gun Violence Prevention Task Force,” said Thompson. “Our vice chairs have a wide range of expertise, come from different backgrounds representing all corners of the House Democratic Caucus, and will bring unique ideas to the table as we work to reduce and prevent gun violence while also protecting the rights of law-abiding individuals without a history of dangerous mental illness to own legitimate firearms for legitimate purposes.”

Thompson was recently named by House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi to chair a congressional task force on reducing and preventing gun violence.

Thompson is a hunter, gun owner, former chair of the Congressional Sportsmen’s Caucus, and veteran who carried a military-style assault weapon during a tour in Vietnam.

He is hosting three public forums on preventing gun violence next week – in Napa on Jan. 8, Vallejo on Jan. 9 and Santa Rosa on Jan. 10.

The 12 vice chairs are:
Rep. Ron Barber (AZ) – Congressman Barber had a 30-year career with the Division of Developmental Disabilities in the Arizona Department of Economic Security. Under his direction, the division improved services for families, while running one of the five most cost-efficient, high-quality programs in the country. After his retirement, Barber became district director for Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords. He was standing next to her on Jan. 8, 2011, when a gunman opened fire at a Congress on Your Corner event. Barber was shot twice and critically wounded. When Congresswoman Giffords stepped down to focus on her recovery, Barber ran for the seat, winning the right to succeed her in office.

Rep. John D. Dingell (MI) – Congressman John D. Dingell is the Dean of the House of Representatives and a senior member of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce. A lifelong outdoorsman and conservationist, Congressman Dingell is an avid hunter and sportsman and member of the Migratory Bird Conservation Commission. Congressman Dingell is also one of the primary authors of the National Instant Criminal Background Check System Improvement Amendments Act of 2007.

Rep. Bill Enyart (IL) – Bill Enyart is the retired Major General of the Illinois National Guard and served in the military for 35 years. He is a proud gun owner, enjoys hunting, and is a conservationist.

Rep. Elizabeth Esty (CT) – Elizabeth Esty represents Newtown, Ct in Congress. In the wake of the Newtown tragedy, she has met with first responders, mental health professionals, educators, community leaders, and local elected officials in Newtown. She approaches the need for sensible gun policies as a community leader, attorney, and mother who has served as a room parent for a first-grade classroom. As a member of the Connecticut State House of Representatives, Esty advocated for commonsense legislation to reduce gun violence and keep families safe.

Rep. Chaka Fattah (PA) – Ranking Member on House Appropriations subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, Science, and related agencies. Fattah, a major supporter of the ATF, is deeply involved in issues dealing with firearms, public safety and law enforcement. In Philadelphia, he created the successful gun buyback “Groceries for Guns” program that has removed thousands of dangerous, unwanted firearms from streets and homes of Philadelphians in exchange for grocery coupons.

Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (NY) – Congresswoman McCarthy, a lifelong nurse, strode into a life of activism to reduce gun violence after her husband was murdered and son critically wounded in the 1993 mass shooting on the Long Island Railroad in New York. Her activism led her to Washington first to lobby members of Congress as an advocate for victims, and then as a member herself after running against her own congressman who voted against the assault weapons ban. Today she is the House sponsor of bills to ban high-capacity ammunition magazines, close the gunshow loophole, strengthen our national background check database, and ban the anonymous bulk online sale of ammunition. Later this month she will also introduce a new assault weapons ban with Congressman Ed Perlmutter and Senator Dianne Feinstein.

Rep. Grace Napolitano (CA) – Congresswoman Grace F. Napolitano is the founder and co-chair of the Congressional Mental Health Caucus. In 2001, she secured funding to provide on-site mental health services for schools within her District, which has now expanded to 15 area schools. Napolitano introduced the Mental Health in Schools Act, authorizing funding to implement on-site mental health services for schools on a national level and each year has introduced legislation recognizing May as National Mental Health Awareness Month. In 2010, Napolitano created the Mental Health Task Force, which includes notable figures such as: Los Angeles Laker, Metta World Peace; World Championship Boxer, Mia St. John, and Dancing with the Stars celebrity, Mark Ballas to help raise awareness about mental health, rid stigma, and encourage others to seek help. Additionally, Napolitano established the 38th Congressional District Mental Health Consortium, a group of local mental health professionals in her District to help advise on mental health related issues and policy.

Rep. Ed Perlmutter (CO) – Congressman Ed Perlmutter represents the 7th Congressional District of Colorado encompassing the northern and western suburbs of the Denver metro region. Residents of the 7th CD are diverse, moderate and middle of the road with their personal values, economics, and education. Perlmutter represented the City of Aurora, CO during the tragic movie theater shootings in July 2012. He also represented the area surrounding Columbine High School when he was serving in the Colorado State Senate. Perlmutter has extensive experience in Colorado working to create mandatory criminal background checks for all gun purchases, and during his time in the state Senate, he sponsored many crime control and victims' assistance measures.

Rep. David Price (NC) – Congressman David Price of North Carolina is the ranking member of the House Homeland Security Appropriations Subcommittee, where he has worked to improve public safety and ensure first responders have access to the tools they need to protect our communities. As a member of the Congressional Mental Health Caucus, he has long supported robust funding for mental health services and was an early advocate for the Paul Wellstone Mental Health Parity Act, which became law in the 110th Congress. Rep. Price has also supported efforts to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous criminals and limit the sale of military-style weapons.

Rep. Bobby Scott (VA) – Congressman Bobby Scott serves as the Ranking Member of the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security. He is a known leader of legislative efforts to reduce crime and prevent youth violence by advocating for comprehensive, evidence-based solutions. Towards this goal, he has introduced the Youth PROMISE Act. Following the Columbine tragedy, he co-led a bi-partisan effort to develop juvenile crime prevention and accountability legislation that resulted in the Juvenile Accountability Block Grant Program (JABG) legislation which was cosponsored by every member of the Crime Subcommittee on both sides of the aisle and passed into law in 2002. He has also co-led bipartisan legislative efforts to add fines and suspensions to the tools available to the ATF to enable the agency to more effectively enforce gun sale and transfer regulations and to close the gun show loophole.

Rep. Jackie Speier (CA) – Congresswoman Speier was Legislative Counsel to Congressman Leo Ryan in 1978 when she accompanied him to investigate the People’s Temple cult in Jonestown, Guyana. Congressman Ryan was assassinated, and Speier was shot five times at close range. She still carries two of the bullets in her body. Since that time, she has been a consistent advocate of gun control, and carried assault weapons ban legislation in California twenty years ago. She supports the 2nd Amendment, but believes we cannot simply blame this crisis on violent video games or mental illness. The proliferation of military style assault weapons and assault magazines are part of the problem, and should be banned. In addition, she believes it is essential that loopholes in the background check process be closed.

Rep. Bennie Thompson (MS) – An avid hunter, Congressman Bennie Thompson has been selected to chair the bipartisan Congressional Sportsman’s Caucus during the 113th Congress. Congressman Thompson has served as the lead Democrat on the House Committee on Homeland Security since 2007. Prior to his election to Congress, Congressman Thompson served as alderman and mayor of Bolton, Mississippi and as a supervisor in Hinds, County Mississippi.

Over the next month the task force will hold a number of meetings and hearings with different experts designed to identify the best policies to reduce and prevent gun violence.

A comprehensive set of policy proposals will be released by the task force in early February.

http://www.lakeconews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=28921:thompson-announces-vice-chairs-for-gun-violence-prevention-task-force&catid=1:latest&Itemid=197

firefly
 
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Sat 5 Jan, 2013 12:40 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:

Bombs kill innocent bystanders too.

And it's not legal to set off bombs either, is it? Laughing

The humor factor is wonderful, but I need a break--I'm getting stomach pains from laughing so hard at your posts. Laughing
oralloy
 
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Sat 5 Jan, 2013 12:45 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Recall that a few hours after the NRA broke their week of silence and made their first speech, the House Democrats announced that they were going to focus on a magazine ban alone, and not on any assault weapons bans.


Sorry, oralloy, I don't think the new task force will just focus on ammunition clips. Several of these people have previously advocated assault weapons control.


So what? The new task force has no power to pass laws.

They can advocate all they want. If they want to pass a law, they will need the House of Representatives to do it.

And in the House of Representatives, both the Republican Party and the Democratic Party stand with the NRA in opposition to any ban on assault weapons.

I'm sure your irrelevant task force will be really good at whining helplessly when their recommendations are defeated.

But in the end, all they will have to show for themselves is a bunch of helpless whining.
BillRM
 
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Sat 5 Jan, 2013 12:46 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
Do you know how many people in this country are wounded or killed by guns every day?


So they would not almost all be killed by some other means if guns was not available is that your position?
oralloy
 
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Sat 5 Jan, 2013 12:48 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Bombs kill innocent bystanders too.


And it's not legal to set off bombs either, is it? Laughing


So? Does that make the innocent bystanders any less dead?



firefly wrote:
The humor factor is wonderful, but I need a break--I'm getting stomach pains from laughing so hard at your posts. Laughing


In other words, you have no facts to support your position.
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firefly
 
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Sat 5 Jan, 2013 12:49 pm
@oralloy,
Right, oralloy, keep on dreaming....Laughing
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tE9-w9uGayk/UNYabUzZazI/AAAAAAABRsc/qVKKbZ_ficA/s320/93833255-nra.jpg
firefly
 
  1  
Sat 5 Jan, 2013 12:52 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:

So they would not almost all be killed by some other means if guns was not available is that your position?


My "position" is to try to address and reduce the gun violence in this country.

And that's what I hope the new congressional task force to prevent gun violence will do.

And that new task force includes many gun owners--so don't assume all gun owners feel the way you do.

Do you have any interest in reducing the gun violence in this country?
BillRM
 
  1  
Sat 5 Jan, 2013 12:53 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
Don't count on that. There are a lot of others, like me, who are concerned about gun violence in this country and who are making noise about it now.



Make all the noise you care to make but half or more of adults in the US own firearms and we do vote and we do not buy into the idea that interfering with our ownerships is going to do anything useful.

The NRA memberships is just the tip of the iceberg as neither I or my wife are members but we will vote against any politicians that even talk about anti gun ownership laws.
oralloy
 
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Sat 5 Jan, 2013 12:58 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
Right, oralloy, keep on dreaming....Laughing


That you will need the House of Representatives in order to pass a law, is not a "dream".

That is a basic Constitutional fact.



firefly wrote:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tE9-w9uGayk/UNYabUzZazI/AAAAAAABRsc/qVKKbZ_ficA/s320/93833255-nra.jpg


You may not have facts or an intelligent argument, but at least you have childish name-calling.
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BillRM
 
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Sat 5 Jan, 2013 12:59 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
People, including innocent bystanders, and children


So if you wish to cut down on guns battles between drugs gangs that sometime killed innocent bystanders then stop the money that is funding those drugs gangs as no gun laws of any kind is going to disarmed them any more then the strict guns laws of Mexico had any impacted on those gangs.

But then the innocent bystanders concern is also a false flag issue with you is it not Firefly?
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mysteryman
 
  3  
Sat 5 Jan, 2013 01:03 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
they just don't want to blame guns or lax or poorly enforced gun laws and regulations.


I dont see how you or anyone else can blame guns for gun violence.

A gun is an inanimate object, incapable of doing anything on its own.
It cannot think, it cannot feel, it cannot load itself, it cannot, on its own, do anything.
Even you must admit that a human must pick up, load, aim, and fire a gun, it cannot do it on its own.
Blaming a gun for gun violence is like blaming a rock for being thrown.

However, nobody is denying that the current gun laws are not being enforced like they should be.
I have never known the NRA to deny that.

If the current gun laws were enforced, that alone would help solve the problem.
So here is an idea, lets try enforcing the current laws, instead of passing more useless laws.
firefly
 
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Sat 5 Jan, 2013 01:04 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
The NRA memberships is just the tip of the iceberg as neither I or my wife are members but we will vote against any politicians that even talk about anti gun ownership laws.


Right, BillRM. How are things in sunny Florida Laughing

http://gunpowderandlead.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/08_073008_florida-gun-nuts.gif?w=300

Now you are so paranoid you're worried they'll pass "anti-gun ownership laws"? Laughing
You're even nuttier than most NRA members. Laughing

I think the new congressional task force includes many sane gun owners, who realize that better regulation and control, to help prevent and reduce gun violence, doesn't mean they are coming to take your guns away. Laughing
BillRM
 
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Sat 5 Jan, 2013 01:06 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
My "position" is to try to address and reduce the gun violence in this country
.

You own stocks in combat knives manufactures Firefly?

Second, if you wished to reduce all violence including so call gun violence in the US and a large percent of the rest of the world with special note of Mexico stopped funding drug gangs.

 

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