Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

Somehow our fulling up our prisons populations with mainly non-violence offensers thank to people like you that love long sentences is not likely to be helpful in my opinion.

... Even if they look somewhat similar, there is a big difference between military small arms and
civilian small arms. Also, individuals have little if any legal access to military hardware these days.

I saw a really interesting Freakanomics segment about how the legalization of abortion also dropped US crime rates. Ugly, but true.

The list: 15 people shot, 3 fatally, on New Year’s Day
SUN-TIMES MEDIA January 1, 2013

A look at fatal shootings on New Year’s Day in Chicago:

1) The first homicide of the New Year occurred when police responded at 3:45 a.m. to a call of a person down in the alley of the 700 block of North Noble Street, police News Affairs Officer Jose Estrada said. Officers discovered a 20-year-old man laying on the ground and bleeding from a gunshot wound to the throat.

Octavius Dontrell Lamb, of the 700 block of North Throop Street, was pronounced dead at Northwestern Memorial Hospital at 4:16 a.m., according to the Cook County Medical Examiner’s office.

2) Kevin Jemison, 29, was shot in the head about 2:45 p.m. Tuesday afternoon, in the 4500 block of South Champlain Avenue in the Grand Boulevard neighborhood, authorities said. Jemison, of the 4700 block of South Michigan Avenue, was taken to University of Chicago Medical Center where he died less than an hour later.

3) Just before 5 p.m., Devonta Grisson, 19, was shot in the chest during an apparent drive-by attack in the Southwest Side Gage Park neighborhood, in the 5800 block of South Sacramento Avenue, police said. Grisson, of the 6700 block of South Artesian Avenue, was dead at the scene, according to the medical examiner’s office.

A look at non-fatal shootings:

4) A 29-year-old man was shot in the mouth and shoulder after a fight broke out at a bar on the West Side, police said. About 1:15 a.m., a fight erupted inside the bar in the 5000 block of West Madison Street in the Austin neighborhood, said police News Affairs Officer Hector Alfaro. The 29-year-old man was allegedly involved in the fight, which saw another man get hit on the head with a beer bottle, Alfaro said. The 29-year-old man was shot as he left the bar, police said. He was taken to Mount Sinai Hospital, where his condition stabilized, Alfaro said.

5) About 2 a.m., a 22-year-old man was shot in both legs and the scrotum during a fight at a house party on the Southwest Side, police said. He was at a party in the basement of a house in the 9700 block of South Beverly Avenue when he got into a fight with another man, said police News Affairs Officer Amina Greer. The fight escalated and the 22-year-old man was shot, Greer said, adding that he was taken to Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn, where his condition stabilized.

6) About 2:40 a.m., a man was shot in the abdomen in the 11700 block of South Sangamon Street in the Auburn Gresham neighborhood, police said. Police learned of the shooting after the man, believed to be in his 20s, walked into the emergency room of MetroSouth Medical Center in Blue Island, police said. The man was later transferred to Advocate Christ, where he was listed in critical condition, police said.

7) Also around 2:40 a.m., a 17-year-old boy was shot in the arm near North and Kedzie avenues in the Humboldt Park neighborhood, Greer said. He exited a vehicle and began arguing with a group of people, police News Affairs Officer Michael Sullivan said. An unknown male then opened fire, shooting the boy once. Someone took the boy to Norwegian-American Hospital but he was later transferred to Advocate Illinois Masonic Medical Center where he was listed in good condition.

8) About 2:45 a.m., a 20-year-old man was shot while he was on the front porch of a home in the 5700 block South Laflin Street in the West Englewood neighborhood, police said. He was hit in the right forearm and refused medical treatment, police said.

9) About 3:50 a.m., a teenage girl and a man were shot outside in the 3800 block of South Wells Street in the Fuller Park neighborhood, Greer said. The 17-year-old girl was shot in the leg, Greer said, and the 30-year-old man was shot in the back. Paramedics took the man to John H. Stroger Jr. Hospital of Cook County and the girl to Mercy Hospital and Medical Center, Greer said, adding that both were listed in fair condition.

10) About 6:10 a.m., a man was in “grave” condition and a woman was critically injured in a shooting in the 5900 block of South Maplewood Avenue, said police News Affairs Officer Michael Sullivan, citing preliminary information. A 28-year-old man was shot in the head and chest, Sullivan said, and a 20-year-old woman was shot in the face and back. Both were taken to Stroger Hospital.

11) Tuesday afternoon at 4:18 p.m., a 21-year-old man was driving in the 4700 block of South Loomis Boulevard in the Back of the Yards neighborhood when two unknown males opened fire, police News Affairs Officer Michael Sullivan said. The driver was shot four times in the back, arm, chest and leg. He was taken in critical condition to Stroger Hospital.

12) About 10 minutes later, two teen boys were both shot in the 2600 block of West Chicago Avenue in the West Town neighborhood. One was shot in the chest, and both are in “stable” condition at John H. Stroger Jr. Hospital of Cook County, police said. Their exact ages were not yet known.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/17331248-418/at-least-5-people-shot-in-early-hours-of-new-year.html

How Chicago kicked off the New Year with gun violence...

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/uptown/suspect-stabbing-death-allegedly-stalked-victim-article-1.1231244

Suspect in fatal stabbing had been stalking ill-fated ex-girlfriend for months after she ended relationship: Jonathan Peña Castillo, 21, of Patterson, N.J., is accused of ambushing Edith Rojas, 19, a Bronx Community College student, with a large kitchen knife in Manhattan as she returned to her apartment around 4 p.m. on New Year's Eve. Witnesses say she was stabbed seven times in the torso.

The 2nd Amendment reads "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." The 2nd Amendment was ratified by the states of our founding fathers because there was a widespread fear of federal government control of state militias and the possibility of a permanent, standing federal army.

Many felt (with European history as a background) a permanent, standing Army, in time of peace, would be dangerous to liberty and ought to be avoided.

That's impossible!, Chicago has some of the toughest anti-gun/freedom laws in the country

The idea that the "people" could stop the a federal force is ludicrous. It didn't turn out too well at all for the South now did it?

oralloy wrote:

That's why free people have the right to carry handguns when they go about in public.

An example of more of your twisted thinking.

You know from your extensive researches that people who possess guns are more likely to harm themselves and others that those who do not.

oralloy wrote:

Are people expected to just stand by and let criminals kill their families?

No. But you wrote about "burglars" in your above response and not about a deadly attack on families.

oralloy uses the expression "freedom hating" in the fond belief it makes him fireproof.

It really is very silly. It borders on baby talk.

There are 3 justifications for guns--

1--A sexual fetish to do with control.

2--Self protection.

3--A business proposition.

No 2 is hard to argue with in a country awash with guns.

Only a complete gun ban with punitive sanctions can go near addressing the problem and that is only a partial solution.

Those arguing for bans on this and that are wasting their time. It's sticking plaster mush.

If I lived in the US I would be packing. I wouldn't like it and if a vote on a complete ban was taken I would vote for it even if there was no buy-back scheme on offer.

I do not know exactly what measures should be taken to reduce gun violence like this. But I know that most homicides and suicides in America are carried out with guns. Research suggests that homes with a gun are two to three times more likely to experience a firearm death than homes without guns, and that members of the household are 18 times more likely to be the victim than intruders.

I know that in 2009, the most recent year for which data is available, nearly 400 American children (age 14 and under) were killed with a firearm and nearly 1,000 were injured. That means that this week we can expect 26 more children to be injured or killed with a firearm.

Quote:

Although the amendment emphasizes the need for a militia, membership in any militia, let alone a well-regulated one, was not intended to serve as a prerequisite for exercising the right to keep arms.

Horseshit,
selfish, myopic, unpatriotic horseshit.

What the phrasing does is, in fact, LIMIT the right to bear arms to those who would serve the security of a free state.

Stop putting your thumb over the first words of the 2nd Amendment.

Do you have any interest in reducing the death toll, in this country, that is caused by firearms?