Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

You forgot another method to prevent children being killed by guns, which is to get rid of all biological adults.

you OFTEN use hyperbole...

Yes, when compared with the number of people alive on the planet, you do call relatively few people liars. But compared with the number of people with whom you interact in this forum, you call relatively MANY liars. And it does seem you do call more people liars than anyone else in the forum

Actually, you have no qualms about calling anyone a liar just because y0u feel like calling them a liar.

There is no legitimate reason to demand ID for voting.

oralloy wrote:

parados wrote:

So.... Every time you want to carry your gun outside your home you must FIRST present a valid ID to a government official. That means EVERY TIME you want to do it. Not just when you register to carry a gun.

Best of luck getting that one past the NRA.

The last time I checked the NRA has nothing to do with who decides what is constitutional.

oralloy wrote:

No. People get semi-autos because:

a) they are more effective for self defense

b) because they are easier when firing lots of rounds (varmint hunting for example)

c) they reduce recoil

I'm sure there are other reasons too. But those are three big ones.

Damn.... I thought you said those features were merely cosmetic. Now you want to argue that they do have an effect?

parados wrote:

There is no legitimate reason to demand ID for voting.

Sure there is. We need to make sure the Democrats can't cheat.

Are you going to make the same argument that oralloy does? The argument that shows you have no clue what the law was?

We need to be able to trace the ownership of these guns.

BillRM wrote:

Are those people any less dead by not being killed by firearms?

We're not discussing all ways that people can die or be killed, dumb-dumb.

We're discussing gun violence--the needless, senseless deaths caused by guns every day in this country.

Forget about arming other people - the research shows that just leads to more deaths.

Or are you like Oralloy and prefer dead children to any form of gun control?

oralloy wrote:

Foofie wrote:

It is a serious subject, and I would wonder what the scenario might be that citizens need a semi-automatic weapon, as part of a gun "collection"?

Need is irrelevant. People have the right to have them.

Foofie wrote:

However, claiming that guns should be everyone's right may just be wrong, since there are urban areas that would be worse off with lax gun laws, in my opinion.

The Constitution applies to everyone equally.

I take it you love all your children equally, and would be heartbroken if anything happened to them. If you do not have a dog in the hunt, so to speak, please stop sounding so self-rightous, in my opinion.

oralloy wrote:

parados wrote:

There is no legitimate reason to demand ID for voting.

Sure there is. We need to make sure the Democrats can't cheat.

Oh... so you are willing to violate the US Constitution as long as it benefits you. Thanks for clearing that up that you really care little about the Constitution but only about how you get to benefit.

Let me ask you oralloy: Did the assault weapons law ban pistol grips?

as long as the NRA fully funds armed protection for all people at all times I'm good with it

Footnote the weapons that the shooter/felon used on the firemen was picked up by a family member for him acting as a straw purchaser.

firefly wrote:
We need to be able to trace the ownership of these guns.

Like I explained before, we already can.