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Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

 
 
JTT
 
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Wed 26 Dec, 2012 03:05 pm
@firefly,
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We've had 7 mass shootings in this country this year. That's not "occasional rampaging". The weapons used were indeed deadly.


Could you do a little research and let me know how those numbers compare to the, say, number of people who are killed in Cambodia by US unexploded ordnance. Maybe a comparison to the number killed by the exploding ordnance would also be highly instructive.
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H2O MAN
 
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Wed 26 Dec, 2012 03:06 pm
@firefly,
You just made the discussion about guns again.

Your actions indicate that you care more about controlling access to guns than you do about
the children and what is controlling some of them to grow up and perform evil acts like this.

'Never let a tragedy go to waste' must be your tramp stamp.
BillRM
 
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Wed 26 Dec, 2012 03:12 pm
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
'Never let a tragedy go to waste' must be your tramp stamp.


Drunk
BillRM
 
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Wed 26 Dec, 2012 03:14 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
We've had 7 mass shootings in this country this year. That's not "occasional rampaging". The weapons used were indeed deadly.


Seven seems a little high for a 12 month period would you care to list them or link to a list?
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 26 Dec, 2012 03:17 pm
@BillRM,
Here's a link that may help:


http://www.thenation.com/blog/171774/fifteen-us-mass-shootings-happened-2012-84-dead#

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mark noble
 
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Wed 26 Dec, 2012 03:20 pm
@firefly,
No, it is not.
Guns are not sold to US citizens for the purpose of killing.
They are sold for 'defence'.
Because you have, weight for weight, more nutcases being reared there than anywhere else on earth.
And you are all kept in a state of constant mistrust and impending catastrophe - YOU need to keep guns just to sleep at night.

Not that I care - wouldn't even visit the US.
H2O MAN
 
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Wed 26 Dec, 2012 03:24 pm
@BillRM,
Laughing
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BillRM
 
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Wed 26 Dec, 2012 03:25 pm
@mark noble,
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Because you have, weight for weight, more nutcases being reared there than anywhere else on earth.


Be careful on the buses and subways/tubes in the UK and look around for young men carrying backpacks with bombs in them.

You seems to grow your own nutcases also...............and sometimes six at a time.
H2O MAN
 
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Wed 26 Dec, 2012 03:28 pm
@mark noble,
Quote:
you are all kept in a state of constant mistrust and impending catastrophe

That's a fact.

Arrow You are witnessing this unfold from the outside, how do you see it playing out?
mark noble
 
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Wed 26 Dec, 2012 03:30 pm
@BillRM,
That's London. Worst event here was a badger with a toothache chewing willow bark.

I said 'weight for weight'.
google: Country with most people recieving therapy for mental health issues.
Smile
BillRM
 
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Wed 26 Dec, 2012 03:34 pm
@mark noble,
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Country with most people recieving therapy for mental health issues.


Maybe we should google country with the most people who should be receiving treatment!
Rolling Eyes
Foofie
 
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Wed 26 Dec, 2012 03:39 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:


Foofie, what color should all vehicles be painted?
Should they have rainbow unicorns and Obama stickers on them so they are
more enticing to young urban car-jackers that go on to kill innocent people.


You are off topic, I believe. I was talking about the macho gun culture that exists parallel to regular, non-macho citizens that own a gun for protection. In my opinion, too many gun owners, as they take their gun (in a gun carrying case) to the range for target practice, have a certain swagger that may be reminiscent of an oufielder scratching his walnuts.

I would also wonder what the percentage of gun enthusiasts, that like semi-automatic weapons as part of their personal collection, were never in the military. In other words, for some, do guns compensate for a life of civilian ease (never having a sergeant shouting at them, while at attention, or some other basic training stressful situation)?
mark noble
 
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Wed 26 Dec, 2012 03:39 pm
@H2O MAN,
Exactly as designed, H20.
In accordance to the Hegelian Dialect and the agenda of the elite.
Outside the US, We refer to you as the 'canary'.
"The early warning"

Gives the rest of the world a head start, I guess.
Sorry about that btw:(
H2O MAN
 
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Wed 26 Dec, 2012 03:40 pm
@mark noble,


That could have something to do with GP level health providers
handing out free samples of Paroxetine about 10 years ago.
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H2O MAN
 
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Wed 26 Dec, 2012 03:43 pm
@Foofie,


Wow! You really reach back for a nugget didn't you!

I'd pat you on the head if you were still in the room.

Did anyone see you scratching his walnuts?

firefly
 
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Wed 26 Dec, 2012 03:47 pm
@BillRM,
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So most such weapon regulations and laws must beyond what we have now is only going to interfere with law abiding citizens being arm.


Most gun violence, and senseless gun deaths, are caused by allegedly "law-abiding" citizens--until the moment they weren't any longer "law-abiding" or until the moment their aggressive impulses flare and a gun is handy, or until the moment they leave their gun where their young child can get it and use it..

The Long Island Railroad shooter, the Virginia Tech shooter, the man who tried to assassinate Rep. Giffords, the Aurora movie theater shooter, and the Sandy Hook Elementary school shooter, just to mention a few, were all "law-abiding" until they began shooting--just as most of those who shoot and kill their spouses or domestic partners, or ex-girlfriends, or even their children, or their neighbor, are law-abiding, until their available gun facilitates the use of impulsive deadly force.

And, presumably, the son of the president of the NRA was a "law-abiding citizen" until he shot at someone in a moment of road rage and wound up being sent to prison for 10 years. That sort of person is as dangerous as any of the other shooters who should never have had a gun in their hands.

We need better regulation and control over all guns, and over who obtains them, in order to try to better contain the problem we have with gun violence--as a public health and safety matter.

Your expressed glee at the current run on assault weapons, and high capacity ammunition clips--in the wake of a horrible mass shooting--reflects your true lack of interest in any issue of public safety related to use of guns.
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When after spending tens of billions every year on the so call war on drugs and fulling the prisons will millions of people involved with the trade I question if most of us in the US could not get into our cars and drive to known areas of towns where we could picked up any common street drug in as fast a manner as going shopping at Walmart.


Perhaps our society's need for guns reflects an addiction, both to guns and violence, that is akin to a drug addiction. Those people lining up right now to buy assault rifles and high capacity clips, because they fear any hint of gun control, are very much like drug addicts who are afraid their supply will dry up.
And, just as we treat drug addiction by replacing the need for drugs with better coping mechanisms, so people can learn how to live without drugs, perhaps we need to replace our need for guns with better adaptive and coping mechanisms--maybe we need to learn how to function without guns. A country where everyone needs to be armed against their fellow citizens, and/or against their government, can quite rightly be described as dysfunctional--just as are families plagued by substance abuse. If you can't see the national sickness in all of this, you really have your head in the sand.


Foofie
 
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Wed 26 Dec, 2012 03:47 pm
@McTag,
McTag wrote:


Foofie has a good point, with some good suggestions.

I say that gun owners (who are so keen to quote the Constitution) should require to join a militia, well-regulated by training and practices twice or more per week. Army-style physical tests would not be a bad idea either.


Also, a snappy uniform, with insignias to impress friends and family. In my opinion, the semi-automatic weapon, as part of a gun collection, functions as a placebo to assuage all the nightmares some people might have about their personal safety in a balkanized society.

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mark noble
 
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Wed 26 Dec, 2012 03:48 pm
@BillRM,
treatment for what? We are not indoctrinated with fear and loathing here - we sent our nutcases out west a few centuries ago:)

I could go, on a more serious note, into the immense differences between our cultures, but there's no need. I have many online yankmates that seem to see clearly enough the web being spun.
Foofie
 
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Wed 26 Dec, 2012 03:49 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:



@ none of what you said is to be taken seriously, right?


Can you be specific?
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H2O MAN
 
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Wed 26 Dec, 2012 03:53 pm
@mark noble,
Today the dialectic is active in every political issue that encourages taking sides. We can see it in environmentalists instigating conflicts against private property owners, in democrats against republicans, in greens against libertarians, in communists against socialists, in neo-cons against traditional conservatives, in community activists against individuals, in pro-choice versus pro-life, in Christians against Muslims, in isolationists versus interventionists, in peace activists against war hawks. No matter what the issue, the invisible dialectic aims to control both the conflict and the resolution of differences, and leads everyone involved into a new cycle of conflicts.
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