Another major school shooting today ... Newtown, Conn

When politicians can't grasp the nettle they are no longer leaders.

They are between the rock and the hard place.

In 1962, Casey Stengel, the longtime manager of the New York Yankees, came out of retirement to lead the New York Mets, an expansion team. That season the Mets lost an astounding 120 games — which is within about 20 games of what Stengel used to win with the Yankees — and prompted him to ask a memorable question: “Can’t anybody here play this game?” That very question can now be asked about Washington
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Obama and Boehner are co-pilots steering us toward the fiscal cliff. Their respective jobs are beyond them. One talks over the head of Congress, the other called for a vote he couldn’t win. The thing’s on automatic pilot — automatic spending cuts, automatic tax increases: automatic debacle. The stock market fell. Next, jobs will be lost. Boehner went home to Ohio, and the president went to Hawaii for a vacation . . . from what? Only the ghost of Casey Stengel remains in town: “Can’t anybody here play this game?”

Apparently not.

Well if you ask any Christian I think that they may tell you that America was founded on Christian values.

Another example is the Treaty of Tripoli, negotiated by George Washington and signed by John Adams, which explicitly denies that the United States is a Christian nation. Specifically, Artical 11 which states;

"As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

tighter gun control legislation might have prevented him from having a gun in the first place...

New NRA Prez David Keene's Son Is a Convicted Road-Rage Shooter
05/02/11

If all goes as expected in Pittsburgh today, American Conservative Union President David Keene will be elected president of the National Rifle Association at the organization's board of directors meeting.

One person who presumably will not be attending the event is Keene's son, David Michael Keene, who according to news reports and trial documents was convicted and sentenced to 10 years in prison for a 2002 road-rage incident in which he fired a handgun from his moving vehicle at another car on the George Washington Memorial Parkway in Virginia.

For more on this, let's go to that pro-gun bastion of conservative reporting, WorldNetDaily. In a December 2010 article which focused primarily on a rumored $400,000 embezzlement scandal facing the American Conservative Union, WorldNetDaily reported that:

In addition to his role at ACU, David Keene also serves as 1st vice president of the National Rifle Association and, as such, is in line to become the powerful gun lobby's next president.

That role caused the NRA some anguish when Keene's son, David Michael Keene, was arrested for a road rage incident in which he allegedly fired a gun at another motorist on the George Washington Memorial Parkway. The round fired shattered the rear window of the victim's car, lodging into the driver's seat, coming within inches of hitting him, according to police reports.

Remember, guns don't attempt to kill people, the sons of NRA presidents do.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-sugarmann/new-nra-prez-david-keenes_b_856268.html

oralloy wrote:

Yes, they can certainly pass unconstitutional laws. But doing so will not ultimately achieve anything.

It will. It passes the buck to the judiciary. Congress bans assault weapons. Judges strike it down. Next massacre Congress says "it's not our fault folks".

oralloy wrote:

All the Republicans want to do is have measures in place to prevent people from cheating.

Sorry that is not even the words of some of the GOP politicians who got those attempts on the law books.

Once more when you are talking about raising barriers for hundreds of thousands of valid voters to vote and using the excuse that someone might be cheating even when you can not point to one case of that happening in the past there is little question what the hell is going on.

I see that Rex is confused again....one needs insurance to drive a car off your property, not to own a car.

I think you're the one who is confused. To legally own a car, which means to take title to it, you have to register it, and you can't do that without insurance.

Something has already changed. The talk of banning assault weapons has led to many thousands of extra assault weapons going into circulation and if the talk was just talk the talkers have sold the weapons and lined the coffers of the arms industry so that it can afford more lobbying and other sweeteners. And the polarisation is more extreme.

And the talkers should have known really.

The only way out for them is to deliver. And if they don't want to fight they shouldn't have opened their gobs in the first place in order to court cheap popularity and display their compassion for our admiration.

insurance is only required to drive said car on public roads....a law which is often not followed or compelled by the state which is why all non idiots get uninsured motorist insurance.

They may or may not deliver a ban on large magazines

oralloy wrote:

They may or may not deliver a ban on large magazines

easy to make and to hide, right? this would be useless, would only move the trade to the black market.

Bill, you know you shouldn't try to confuse the Oraboy with facts--his mind is already made up and he is better than we are.

Probably more the grey market. Assuming that they grandfather existing magazines, all anyone would ever have to do is proclaim that all their magazines were pre-ban

All the Republicans are doing is requiring a photo ID in order to vote. That is a perfectly reasonable barrier to raise.

oralloy wrote:

Probably more the grey market. Assuming that they grandfather existing magazines, all anyone would ever have to do is proclaim that all their magazines were pre-ban

are they numbered?

they are easy to make correct....any machine shop could do with and any machine shop worker could do it?