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Is this a specious argument for pro-abortion?

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Sun 9 Sep, 2012 10:27 am
@izzythepush,
spendius wrote:
It was a polite request. It was not an instruction.
I was tricking you into saying that I can't dictate anything here as izzy said I was doing.
izzythepush wrote:
I've never said you can force anyone to do anything,
but you still want to tell women what they can do with their bodies.
You wish to inflict your will on other people.


Your impotency is irrelevant.
Is that the reason that he seems so frustrated ??
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spendius
 
  -3  
Sun 9 Sep, 2012 12:18 pm
I sure am glad I'm not as thick as you lot. I find it difficult to imagine how you can have any sort of social life. No intelligent person would spend any more time in your company than was required to discover just how thick you all are.

I'll leave you to agree among yourselves.
Frank Apisa
 
  3  
Sun 9 Sep, 2012 04:05 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
Quote:
Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5101557)
Quote:
My guess is if men where the ones carrying pregnancies, this topic would not be getting any discussion. Men would be laughing at the notion that women or other men should have some say over what they do with their own bodies.


What a ridiculous argument that is.


If you want to read a truly ridiculous argument, you ought read your last post. I was a gas!
Atom Blitzer
 
  1  
Sun 9 Sep, 2012 04:18 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Sure, like you must be a woman, and think like a woman and has been in that situation. It takes more than two months to make a decision?And you're saying it has nothing to do with denial or shame to tell their parents, or who don't realize they're pregnant ,and it's just because they can't make up their mind. What are you implying about women, fag?
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Sun 9 Sep, 2012 04:55 pm
@Frank Apisa,
"It was a gas!"
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OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Mon 10 Sep, 2012 12:11 am
@Atom Blitzer,
Atom Blitzer wrote:
Sure, like you must be a woman,
and think like a woman and has been in that situation.
U have a twisted brain.
I have disdain for government and (figuratively) spit on government, Weirdo.





Atom Blitzer wrote:
It takes more than two months to make a decision?
I don 't give a damn. The chick owns her own body; no one else does.
When she gets an abortion she exercises the same freedom
as when she gets a haircut. DUMP that intruder. Fight back.





Atom Blitzer wrote:
And you're saying it has nothing to do with denial or shame to tell their parents,
or who don't realize they're pregnant, and it's just because they can't make up their mind.
[What I 'm saying is that none of that MATTERS;
let government be damned.]
What are you implying about women, fag?
I 'm a straight. I am a libertarian,
with contempt toward governmental attempts to control people, including chicks.
I kinda LIKE chicks; I guess U don 't. U like the boys, huh, down under??

I acknowledge the sovereign AUTONOMY of everyone,
including chicks, over each of his or her own human body.

TO all gay members of A2K:
I merely attempt to give offense to Atom (and to government)
and not to cast aspersions upon gays, toward whom I bear no ill will, nor any difference of respect.





David
Atom Blitzer
 
  1  
Mon 10 Sep, 2012 01:35 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Me, weirdo?
And the way you explain yourselves, you are not a libertarian, you are an anarchist, but what you and the rest of them fail to realize is that this whole little utopian idea of anarchism is impractical.

We both agree, I think, that a woman should have the right to choose abortion because this is first and foremost a medical issue that should be worked out between each woman, according to her own conscience and personal beliefs, and the appropriate professional medical practitioners.

Where we differ is that there is a smart way to do it, and there's stupid way to do it, and that is waiting too long, because the probability of averse scenarios arises in medicine, as well cost, as the female sex wait longer and longer to get abortion. Doesn't mean it shouldn't be allowed, it is just stupid to wait that long, unless of course one plans on conceiving but some complication that leaves the mother's life at jeopardy and forces the choice of a late abortion.

I'm not gonna waste any time over this, as you prefer to copulate with counterproductive opinions in a serious manner, which makes it all the more fun to laugh at you.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Mon 10 Sep, 2012 02:30 am
@Atom Blitzer,
' the
Quote:
We both agree, I think, that a woman should have the right to choose abortion because this is first and foremost a medical issue that should be worked out between each woman, according to her own conscience and personal beliefs, and the appropriate professional medical practitioners.

how do you justify cutting the other 50% of the creation team out of the process?

Quote:
I'm not gonna waste any time over this, as you prefer to copulate with counterproductive opinions in a serious manner, which makes it all the more fun to laugh at you.
another "the ends justify the means" argument...great!
spendius
 
  0  
Mon 10 Sep, 2012 04:57 am
Quote:
The Homunculus, Sir, in however low and ludicrous a light he may appear,
in this age of levity, to the eye of folly or prejudice;--to the eye of
reason in scientific research, he stands confess'd--a Being guarded and
circumscribed with rights.--The minutest philosophers, who by the bye,
have the most enlarged understandings, (their souls being inversely as
their enquiries) shew us incontestably, that the Homunculus is created
by the same hand,--engender'd in the same course of nature,--endow'd
with the same loco-motive powers and faculties with us:--That he
consists as we do, of skin, hair, fat, flesh, veins, arteries,
ligaments, nerves, cartilages, bones, marrow, brains, glands, genitals,
humours, and articulations;--is a Being of as much activity,--and in all
senses of the word, as much and as truly our fellow-creature as my Lord
Chancellor of England.--He may be benefitted,--he may be injured,--he
may obtain redress; in a word, he has all the claims and rights of
humanity, which Tully, Puffendorf, or the best ethick writers allow to
arise out of that state and relation.


Laurence Sterne. Tristram Shandy.
spendius
 
  0  
Mon 10 Sep, 2012 08:59 am
@spendius,
If anybody seeks an explanation why thumbing is ridiculous it is staring them in the face with that one applied to a quote from one of the acknowledged masters of English Literature with a reputation which will long outlast those of the assenting justices in the Roe/Wade debacle.
Foofie
 
  0  
Mon 10 Sep, 2012 11:28 am
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

Pages and pages of men discussing abortion.

Does it happen in your real lives as well?

I find it truly bizarre to see non-medical men so interested in the innards of women's bodies.


It might not really be only about women's bodies, but future populations of a country. Let me explain: If a fetus is defined as not yet a human, and an abortion is defined as not killing a human (life), then somewhere in the future, a government of a country can decide that "population control" mandates forced abortions. So, to be "fair," each ethnic group, race, religion in a country could have its respective "percentage of population" be "grandfathered" as the future percentage of the population allowed. No more having children, as one chooses. One would then have to be within the "baby quota" for one's demographic. Get it? Abortion can lead to a world where humans are apportioned their share of humanity.
eurocelticyankee
 
  1  
Mon 10 Sep, 2012 11:45 am
@Foofie,
Foofie said.
Quote:
then somewhere in the future, a government of a country can decide that "population control" mandates forced abortions


That's never going to happen in any civilised country and the fact is if a country was even willing to contemplate that, well they've probably gone down the Marxist road already and are killing so many people birthrate wouldn't be an issue.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Mon 10 Sep, 2012 11:51 am
@eurocelticyankee,
Foofie said.
Quote:
then somewhere in the future, a government of a country can decide that
"population control" mandates forced abortions
eurocelticyankee wrote:
That's never going to happen in any civilised country
and the fact is if a country was even willing to contemplate that,
well they've probably gone down the Marxist road already
and are killing so many people birthrate wouldn't be an issue.
Yes; I believe that the Red Chinese have that in their history.
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OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Mon 10 Sep, 2012 11:56 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
If anybody seeks an explanation why thumbing is ridiculous it is staring them in the face with that one applied to a quote from one of the acknowledged masters of English Literature with a reputation which will long outlast those of the assenting justices in the Roe/Wade debacle.
WHAT "debacle" ????

It merely decided that government has no jurisdiction to interfere.
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RABEL222
 
  2  
Mon 10 Sep, 2012 12:17 pm
@hawkeye10,
When the other 50% have too carry a fetus for 9 mo than they should have a say.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Mon 10 Sep, 2012 12:29 pm
@Atom Blitzer,
Atom Blitzer wrote:
Me, weirdo?
YEAH, if u set your hand on FIRE & then take a picture of it.
That 's weird and dum.




Atom Blitzer wrote:
And the way you explain yourselves, you are not a libertarian, you are an anarchist,
I 'd really LOVE to be an anarchist, but in all candor,
I see value in government coining money of gold & silver
and in co-ordinating wars.
Hence, I do not qualify to be an anarchist. That saddens me.




Atom Blitzer wrote:
but what you and the rest of them fail to realize
is that this whole little utopian idea of anarchism is impractical.
It is. Government has a few uses; not many, but some.




Atom Blitzer wrote:
We both agree, I think, that a woman should have the right to choose abortion
NO. What I agree is that chicks ALREADY HAVE sovereign autonomy over their own bodies.



Atom Blitzer wrote:
because this is first and foremost a medical issue
NO, again. It is first, foremost and lastmost an issue of political liberty,
which consists of government having NO jurisdiction to interfere.
Its the same as a chick deciding to get a haircut
or to get her nails painted.



Atom Blitzer wrote:
that should be worked out between each woman, according to her own conscience and personal beliefs,
and the appropriate professional medical practitioners.
I take NO interest in such PERSONAL, private issues.






Atom Blitzer wrote:
Where we differ is that there is a smart way to do it, and there's stupid way to do it, and that is waiting too long, because the probability of averse scenarios arises in medicine, as well cost, as the female sex wait longer and longer to get abortion. Doesn't mean it shouldn't be allowed, it is just stupid to wait that long, unless of course one plans on conceiving but some complication that leaves the mother's life at jeopardy and forces the choice of a late abortion.
I don't give a damn about that.
Its none of my business, any more than it is how ofen she goes to the toilet.
Its private. It shud be forgotten and abandoned to her unlimited discretion.




Atom Blitzer wrote:
I'm not gonna waste any time over this, as you prefer to copulate
with counterproductive opinions in a serious manner,
which makes it all the more fun to laugh at you.
Like I give a dam if u laff.
Maybe tomorrow u will set your cock on fire
and take a picture of that to show how smart u r.

( Please give us a break and don 't post pictures of that going up in flames. )
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OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Mon 10 Sep, 2012 12:44 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
We both agree, I think, that a woman should have the right to choose abortion because this is first and foremost a medical issue that should be worked out between each woman, according to her own conscience and personal beliefs, and the appropriate professional medical practitioners.
hawkeye10 wrote:
how do you justify cutting the other 50% of the creation team out of the process?
How about the 13th Amendment?? No slavery nor involuntary servitude.
Let "the other 50% of the creation team" do the work, if he wants to.
Maybe he 'll build an artificial uterus.
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Mon 10 Sep, 2012 12:54 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
how do you justify cutting the other 50% of the creation team out of the process?


If the two are at loggerheads, and someone has to make the final call, it should be the one whose body it is.
Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Mon 10 Sep, 2012 01:02 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Re: hawkeye10 (Post 5102412)
hawkeye10 wrote:
how do you justify cutting the other 50% of the creation team out of the process?


If the two are at loggerheads, and someone has to make the final call, it should be the one whose body it is.


Amen.

And that goes for both sides of that double edged blade!
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Foofie
 
  1  
Mon 10 Sep, 2012 06:51 pm
@eurocelticyankee,
eurocelticyankee wrote:

Foofie said.
Quote:
then somewhere in the future, a government of a country can decide that "population control" mandates forced abortions


That's never going to happen in any civilised country ...


Ah, but countries become uncivilized.
 

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