Is this a specious argument for pro-abortion?

@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:
how do you justify cutting the other 50% of the creation team out of the process?

If the two are at loggerheads, and someone has to make the final call, it should be the one whose body it is.

Based on what ethical argument that reflects the fact that men and women both reflect humanity?

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@RABEL222,

so then you agree that a woman should have absolutely no say in men's health issues at all.

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@mysteryman,

Where in the hell did you come up with that strawman question. Ask your question in a recognizable form and I will try to answer it.

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@Foofie,

It's based on reality, it's the woman's body.

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@mysteryman,

You're being a bit daft MM. If you decide to have an endoscopy, and your wife is dead set against it, at the end of the day, it's your decision. It's your arse.

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@Foofie,

hawkeye10 wrote:

how do you justify cutting the other 50% of the creation team out of the process?

izzythepush wrote:

If the two are at loggerheads,
and someone has to make the final call,
it should be the one whose body it is.

Foofie wrote:

Based on what ethical argument that reflects the fact
that men and women both reflect humanity?

The dispostive criterion is ownership,
regardless of anything that is reflected.

Your rights r not constricted
by what u reflect.

David

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

It's based on reality; it's the woman's body.

YES.

David

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@Foofie,

Foofie wrote

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Ah, but countries become uncivilized.

Ah, but I do believe you missed my point.

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95% of the folks on reality tv shows are the best pro-abortion argument i can think of

(about 50% of the people you meet in day to day life would also qualify)

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@djjd62,

the 95% is accurate but I think the 50% should be down graded to 40%.

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@RABEL222,

I would say 100% and 95% respectively.

We have to admit that there's 40 million Democrats been forcepted out of the polling booths this November. I'll allow 10 million Republicans have too. What do the loins of the ladies matter in view of such a significant adjustment to the popular vote?

As Mr William Bryan Jennings said "words can be found to justify anything". Or something to that effect.

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@mysteryman,

Would you like me to tell you what you must do to manage your health?

Why do you think strangers should have anything to say about other people's health care?

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@ehBeth,

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Why do you think strangers should have anything to say about other people's health care?

That's a daft question in view of all the programmes and feechewers which do nothing else. Strangers stopped fox-hunting in the service of the health care of foxes and we can't smoke in pubs anymore because strangers were concerned for the health of non-smokers.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

It's based on reality, it's the woman's body.

It is the man's AND woman's humanity (aka, "All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again.")

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

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Why do you think strangers should have anything to say about other people's health care?

That's a daft question in view of all the programmes and feechewers which do nothing else. Strangers stopped fox-hunting in the service of the health care of foxes and we can't smoke in pubs anymore because strangers were concerned for the health of non-smokers.

Extrapolating your thought, abortions should be illegal, because of the negative effect emotionally on those that consider abortion murder. Really simple, put that way, in context of considering the health of others.

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@Foofie,

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Extrapolating your thought, abortions should be illegal, because of the negative effect emotionally on those that consider abortion murder. Really simple, put that way, in context of considering the health of others.

Then capital punishment should be illegal as well--that is unquestionably murder, which is done in the name of the people of the state, and many people are deeply disturbed that such murders are carried out in their name.

Wars should be illegal as well, by the same logic you are using.

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@spendius,

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That's a daft question in view of all the programmes and feechewers which do nothing else. Strangers stopped fox-hunting in the service of the health care of foxes and we can't smoke in pubs anymore because strangers were concerned for the health of non-smokers.

Those things are not the same as strangers making a decision that dictates the health care options and medical choices of a specific individual, or groups of specific individuals.

Do you want Jehovah's Witnesses to be able to dictate, and mandate, that no one be allowed to have a blood transfusion? Or even donate blood to a blood bank?

Should her next door neighbor be able to decide whether a pregnant woman can have radiation treatment for her cancer, based on the neighbor's concerns about harm to the fetus from the radiation? Should anyone, except the pregnant woman involved, make that medical decision regarding her treatment and her body?

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@Foofie,

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Extrapolating your thought, abortions should be illegal, because of the negative effect emotionally on those that consider abortion murder. Really simple, put that way, in context of considering the health of others.

What about the negative effects both emotionally and physical on the participants. It's a hard hearted woman who treats abortion like a skin tuck.

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@firefly,

firefly wrote:

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Extrapolating your thought, abortions should be illegal, because of the negative effect emotionally on those that consider abortion murder. Really simple, put that way, in context of considering the health of others.

Then capital punishment should be illegal as well--that is unquestionably murder, which is done in the name of the people of the state, and many people are deeply disturbed that such murders are carried out in their name.

Wars should be illegal as well, by the same logic you are using.

O.K. I don't subscribe to capital punishment. That is a waste of a life that could be utilized in some way. However, wars are fought, since two sovereign countries are adversaries. That might need a UN with more than blue hatted troops. But, I agree with you. Eliminate all bad behaviors, including parents that yell at children in public, or spank children in private. Then we can outlaw abortion.

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@spendius,

what happened to this?

spendius wrote:

I'll leave you to agree among yourselves.

you say you'll leave, but you never do

Twisted Evil

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