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Republican Senate Nominee: "Legitimate" rape victims don't get pregnant

 
 
spendius
 
  -2  
Fri 12 Oct, 2012 05:18 pm
@firefly,
So you have ignored the question you were asked ff. We can all take note of that.

What is your consent standards in relation to a socialite knickerbocker female and a short order cook whose parents can't afford a chaperone?
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RABEL222
 
  1  
Sat 13 Oct, 2012 12:24 am
@spendius,
Bushes 8 years of fighting two wars without funding them and adding a unpaid drug program to soc. sec.. And lowering the taxes on the very rich. Next question.
spendius
 
  -2  
Sat 13 Oct, 2012 04:58 am
@RABEL222,
Mr Bush was a prisoner of the liberal agenda as is Mr Romney.

You're shooting sound-bites all three of which beg many questions.
spendius
 
  -2  
Sat 13 Oct, 2012 09:19 am
@spendius,
What we have here is a phalanx of interested parties, whether for straight cash, the joys of a posture of delicate virtue, axe-grinding or the satisfaction of an indignation fetish, which are farming sexual assaults whether real or alleged.

It goes without saying that each party will seek out incidents in the by-ways of social intercourse in the service of ploughing their chosen territory more efficiently.

It also goes without saying that they will promote activities which lend themselves to the production of a permanent series of opportunities to farm fruitfully. The activities being promoted are readily identifiable by the circumstances being harvested but they might all be gathered under one head--the equality of women in the workforce, in the bars, in the offices and other institutions such as care homes, and in the military.

Human nature, being what it is, such circumstances as have been described are bound to result in a certain number of incidents. It would be matter of some astonishment if there were none. That there is a very small number of such incidents is why they have to be so assiduously sought out as they are.

It is logical that the members of this phalanx will have on Ignore that a change in the circumstances might well reduce the incidents, or alleged incidents, to vanishing point.

And that they will also have on Ignore that equality for women in the workforce, in the bars, in the offices and other institutions such as care homes, and in the military, provides large numbers of women with scope for exercising their admittedly tempting characteristics, as provocatively as maybe and often enhanced artificially, in the service of whatever ends it is thought fit to pursue.

Such conditions are bound to produce a small number of incidents, or alleged incidents, and those who promote such conditions are thus responsible for them happening. Which is what any sensible person would expect given the dynamics of the phalanx and its requirements and the nature of the soil being cultivated.

One might change the circumstances or accept the cost to the victims or fondly imagine that the conditions will not cause the odd incident or alleged incident. The latter being a species of fantasy in the case of men and women being tumbled together in the billions of social interactions resulting on every day of the week.

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jcboy
 
  1  
Mon 15 Oct, 2012 11:00 am
You can really see why many women dislike men, who the heck does any man think he is to make any determination for another person especially a woman!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/12/rick-berg-women-abortion_n_1962135.html

Quote:
Rick Berg, North Dakota GOP Senate Candidate: No Abortion Access For Rape Victims

WASHINGTON -- North Dakota Senate candidate Rep. Rick Berg (R-N.D.) is a staunch opponent of abortion access, believing it should be banned except when the life of the mother is at risk. But when asked in an interview Wednesday whether a woman who sought an illegal abortion should be jailed or fined, Berg declined to get into specifics and said the punishment should be figured out through the "legislative process."
firefly
 
  1  
Mon 15 Oct, 2012 11:14 am
@jcboy,
Quote:
You can really see why many women dislike men

I think it's more accurate to say that you can really see why many women dislike Republicans--because of their attitudes toward women and issues of concern to women.

I'm surprised Rep. Rick Berg is even making an exception for when the life of the mother is at risk. If the Republicans can get their fetal personhood amendment passed, they'd likely eliminate that exception too.

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ehBeth
 
  1  
Mon 15 Oct, 2012 11:16 am
@jcboy,
I wouldn't call it women disliking men. I'd call it people disliking politicians who claim to be for less government pushing intrusive legislative changes.

I'm not against all government but I do object to politicians who think they should have got something to say with the decisions I make about my body that don't effect other people.
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BillRM
 
  -1  
Mon 15 Oct, 2012 11:22 am
@jcboy,
Quote:
You can really see why many women dislike men, who the heck does any man think he is to make any determination for another person especially a woman!


An yet a woman can force fatherhood on a sexual parter or take that fatherhood away from him and that is both right and proper.

All for both the male and the female having a say in whether they wish to assume the burden or parenthood if a conception occur.

To make it even more fun the state does not in fact care what man pay for a child as long as some man does as if a woman get away with the fraud of convicting a man falsely that he is a father and he act on that false bit of information for a very short period of time the courts will force him to pay child support whether the DNA then showed he is not the father or not.
firefly
 
  4  
Mon 15 Oct, 2012 11:40 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
An yet a woman can force fatherhood on a sexual parter..

Men don't have access to contraception?
tsarstepan
 
  1  
Mon 15 Oct, 2012 11:43 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

To make it even more fun the state does not in fact care what man pay for a child as long as some man does as if a woman get away with the fraud of convicting a man falsely that he is a father and he act on that false bit of information for a very short period of time the courts will force him to pay child support whether the DNA then showed he is not the father or not.

Can you source a postDNA testing era case where this has happened? You can't fake a paternity test.
tsarstepan
 
  2  
Mon 15 Oct, 2012 11:46 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

Quote:
An yet a woman can force fatherhood on a sexual parter..

Men don't have access to contraception?

Condoms and vasectomies are conspiracies against malehood! Evil or Very Mad

Some people will always be looking for the boogieman to blame Firefly and are themselves unwilling to accept their own personal responsibility.
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BillRM
 
  1  
Mon 15 Oct, 2012 11:49 am
@firefly,
Quote:
Men don't have access to contraception?


To the same degree as a women do and yet you wish the women to have a post conception choice but not men?

I would be fine with men not having a choice in assuming the burden of fatherhood post conception as long as women are in the same boat.

We both seems to agree women should had that choice however we disagree that both sexes should have that choice.
ehBeth
 
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Mon 15 Oct, 2012 11:50 am
@BillRM,
If a man doesn't want to become a father when he rapes a woman, he can always use a condom (bizarre concept).

A woman can't anticipate when/if she is going to be raped, so she can't be held to the same standard of responsibility. Most female methods of contraception are intrusive, either chemically or physically. It is unreasonable to suggest a woman use birth control pills in anticipation of rape, or that a woman insert a diaphragm every day, just in case she is raped.

Do you appreciate how silly your arguments are or is Robert correct about your role as village fool?
ehBeth
 
  1  
Mon 15 Oct, 2012 11:51 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Men don't have access to contraception?


To the same degree as a women do


that is simply not correct.

Condoms are not intrusive in the same way that female birth control methods are.
BillRM
 
  1  
Mon 15 Oct, 2012 11:52 am
@tsarstepan,
Quote:
Can you source a postDNA testing era case where this has happened? You can't fake a paternity test.


If the current law in most states that if a man had acted as a father to a child for a certain time frame even if he did so due to a woman knowingly lying to him he had the duty of fatherhood no matter what the DNA then show.
BillRM
 
  1  
Mon 15 Oct, 2012 11:55 am
@ehBeth,
Was not addressing the issue of rape but of consensus sex.............

Take note however on the flip side of this issue is that courts had found that a rapist had fatherhood rights to the outrage of everyone.
ehBeth
 
  2  
Mon 15 Oct, 2012 11:55 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
if a man had acted as a father to a child for a certain time frame
then he better have that DNA testing done right up front eh.
ehBeth
 
  2  
Mon 15 Oct, 2012 11:56 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Was not addressing the issue of rape but of consensus sex.............


and if a man doesn't want to be a father he can use a condom. It's not that complicated.
BillRM
 
  -1  
Mon 15 Oct, 2012 11:59 am
@ehBeth,
Quote:
that is simply not correct.

Condoms are not intrusive in the same way that female birth control methods are.


Sorry but as long as we are talking about consensus sex a woman is free to demand the wearing of a condoms hell she can bring them to the party.

Birth control is a problem/issue of the couple not just the one partner that is using a method of control for any one act of sex.
ehBeth
 
  2  
Mon 15 Oct, 2012 12:03 pm
@BillRM,
Absolutely. And most women I know have/had them with them when they were planning consensual sex.

In rape, which is the important issue, it's not the same.
 

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