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Republican Senate Nominee: "Legitimate" rape victims don't get pregnant

 
 
BillRM
 
  1  
Tue 28 Aug, 2012 07:06 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
You misunderstood what he said. Go back and read what he wrote.


We agree on something at last...................
firefly
 
  4  
Tue 28 Aug, 2012 07:26 pm
http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/host.madison.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/1/8b/18bfa410-ee2e-11e1-b39f-001a4bcf887a/5037ea98d295a.preview-620.jpg
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BillRM
 
  0  
Tue 28 Aug, 2012 07:30 pm
@BillRM,
It sad when even agreeing with Firefly get me two votes downs.

I mean how often does that happen on this website?
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hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Tue 28 Aug, 2012 10:56 pm
one of the consistent truths of history is that at first injustice is used on those who almost everyone agrees deserves it. eventually though the regime moves on to those who have more support. injustice should always be drowned in the bathtub before it has a chance to grow.


we failed to learn our history when we turned a blind eye to the persecution of sexual deviants. we will pay dearly for the mistake

Quote:
A student in the US has been slapped with a $675,000 (539,000 euros) fine for illegally uploading music. German law firms now specialize in file-sharing to take advantage of the lucrative source of revenue.
The US Supreme Court has recently rejected 25-year-old Joel Tenenbaum's appeal against his $675,000 (539,000 euros) fine, leaving the Boston University graduate student with little legal recourse. Tenenbaum admitted to illegally uploading 30 songs to the Internet in 2003, when he was 16 years old. That's $22,500 per song, including songs by famous rock bands such as Nirvana, Green Day and Incubus.
Big record companies have begun doggedly pursuing file-sharers such as Tenenbaum, people who download music from the Internet illegally and then upload the illicit songs to websites where other users can download them. The case of Tenenbaum serves as a stark warning to file-sharers everywhere.

File-sharers as felons?

Such draconian punishments are shocking to many observers, though the era is long gone when illegally downloading and uploading music was considered a trivial offense. Some particularly outraged critics claim that file sharers receive harsher punishments than rapists.

http://www.dw.de/dw/article/0,,16202429,00.html
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Tue 28 Aug, 2012 11:08 pm
@hawkeye10,
You're trying to equate copyright laws with rape; they're not even close. Each crime is judged on the merits of the crime.

Nobody claims the legal system is "fair."

Apple Computer won a one billion dollar copyright judgement against Samsung.
hawkeye10
 
  0  
Tue 28 Aug, 2012 11:33 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Nobody claims the legal system is "fair.


with as broken as the American "justice" system is no one could get the words out if they tried to make the claim, laughter would ensue.
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spendius
 
  -1  
Wed 29 Aug, 2012 05:20 am
@firefly,
Quote:
All these nutty ideas, about a woman's alleged biological ability to keep sperm from fertilizing her egg, if she really doesn't want to get pregnant, that both Akin and spendius have voiced, really astound me. I'm flabberghasted that there are adult men who actually believe these things.


And what does it prove that you think they are nutty ideas and are astounded and flabbergasted by them?

I'll tell you what it proves ff. It proves your inexperience.

What do you think "lie back and think of England" means?

There are four separate mechanisms the female body has to prevent pregnancy in a general sense. Three of them are available to a conscious rape victim. None to an unconscious one. A sperm that makes it past these defences is a very vigorous one. Which one might expect evolution to have built in to a vigorous species.

They are reflexes if the female is a full and eager participant by which I mean they kick in without being thought about.

The reason they are not well known is because of reliance on artificial methods of birth control. All artificial safety devices are anti-evolutionary. They allow people to do things they shouldn't be doing. Like using sex for materialistic ends when not an eager participant. Which women can do and men can't. Faking being eager is cheating.

And your remark "if she really doesn't want to get pregnant" gives you away. She has no choice if she's an eager participant. They are reflexes. It just happens that way. A randy woman is not thinking at all. She's not calculating what she wants. She's rooting.

As I have said, you are taking advantage of people like Mr Akin being too polite to give it out straight. You are relying on euphemisms. If you push too hard somebody will give it you straight and you will be mortified.

You're a spokesperson for male chauvinists ff. Easing their burdens.
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spendius
 
  -1  
Wed 29 Aug, 2012 05:34 am
@cicerone imposter,
You're out of your depth ci.
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BillRM
 
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Wed 29 Aug, 2012 06:26 am
@firefly,
Quote:
--and that includes incest--don't you?


Incest that involve a minor or incest between two consenting adults as they are not one and the same thing.
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ehBeth
 
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Wed 29 Aug, 2012 06:36 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
Tell me a reason for preventing biologically mature females under the age of consent from having sex if it is not the risk of pregnancy.


the risk of pregnancy is one of the least important reasons for preventing very young females from having sex. Protection of their emotional and psychological health is much more important.

spendius
 
  -1  
Wed 29 Aug, 2012 10:54 am
@ehBeth,
Quote:
Protection of their emotional and psychological health is much more important.


And the controllers decide what is emotional and psychological health I suppose. And I didn't say "very young females". I said biologically mature females which is a category not subject to opinions.

And then the same controllers are supervising a sexually stimulating environment in order to make money.

In such an environment the inhibition of the natural urges of biologically mature females leads to all sorts of psychological problems. Hysteria for example. Neuroses.

What's the evolutionist position Beth?
BillRM
 
  1  
Wed 29 Aug, 2012 11:20 am
@spendius,
Quote:
I said biologically mature females which is a category not subject to opinions.


Spendius one thing to consider is the development of the brain and the emotional controls of actions that is couple to the brain development have not speed up to any degree but thanks to the rich diet that our technology now allow females are reaching sexual maturity many years before they did in past ages.
ehBeth
 
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Wed 29 Aug, 2012 11:31 am
@ehBeth,
spendius wrote:
females under the age of consent


http://www.ageofconsent.us/


I consider under 16 very young females.

I understand that you will argue the point. You understand that I will not agree with you.
spendius
 
  1  
Wed 29 Aug, 2012 01:58 pm
@BillRM,
I think the opposite Bill. Brains seem to me to coagulate, ossify, decay and degenerate once adolescence ends. This effect is the more obvious the more rich diets and technology are embraced. That effect is reinforced by taking up any hard and fast positions on any matter so that pride creates a situation which requires a person to not budge an inch on them for the rest of his or her life.

And you need to remember that the environment has been created by the same silly sods who expect adolescents to embrace the silly-soddery and joyfully accept the mountain of debt that has been slung gratuitously on their innocent heads.

I wasn't trying to make a case for anything. I just asked for a reason for preventing biologically mature females under the age of consent from having sex if it is not the risk of pregnancy.

The answers so far are mere assertions depending on definitions of terms which tautologically can render no other conclusion than the one arrived at. Which is to say meaningless and as such not an answer. One might even say that to think such things are answers is confirmation of the states I mentioned at the start.

What Beth meant was "emotional and psychological health" in a world where emotional and psychological health is defined as she defines it. The lunatics are in charge of the asylum idea. Which is a viewpoint held in one hand by a great number of intelligent people. It may be that the confrontation of the hormones with the proprietaries of those who define emotional and psychological health in a particular and likely self-serving way is what causes the emotional and psychological ill-health. Which is good for business in the institutions catering for problem females and on the "who gains" principle it might be argued that the problems have been created to order. Going into bat against the hormones is obviously ideal.



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spendius
 
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Wed 29 Aug, 2012 03:13 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
I consider under 16 very young females.


That's a social category Beth. I was referring to a biological category.

Quote:
I understand that you will argue the point. You understand that I will not agree with you.


I am not arguing a point. I am simply wondering whether leaving fertility to the freshly matured might have more survival value than leaving it to the older ones who have been battered about by all sorts of weird and wonderful things and are choosing to get pregnant for a range of weird and wonderful reasons.

If that were the case then we might treat the young ones with more respect and resources and they wouldn't be emotionally or psychologically damaged. And when they get to 25 they won't want any more kids if they already have two or three whose existence derives from biology rather than social niceties.

I am aware that we would get 6 generations every hundred years.

Thanks for the list.

BTW--I saw some footage of the audience at the RNC and it reminded me of how our Tory Party conference audiences used to look in the old days. Well fed oldies.

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ehBeth
 
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Thu 30 Aug, 2012 01:35 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
What's the evolutionist position Beth?


why ask me, you're the evolved microbe
spendius
 
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Thu 30 Aug, 2012 01:48 pm
@ehBeth,
Oh--I know what the evolutionist position is Beth. I understood you are an evolutionist and I was wondering if we are in agreement.
RABEL222
 
  1  
Thu 30 Aug, 2012 01:55 pm
@spendius,
She sure spiked your post with an accurate rejoinder.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 30 Aug, 2012 02:18 pm
@ehBeth,
But he's a drunk microbe.
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spendius
 
  1  
Thu 30 Aug, 2012 02:49 pm
@RABEL222,
She missed some words out actually. It's a "really, really well" evolved microbe. I do cease wallowing in warm nutrient beds, sucking and blowing, under certain circumstances.
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