HOLOCAUST........ Fact or Fiction?

@Harper,

Harper wrote:

Anyway, I need to get back to "pre-reading" for my Human Rights class which doesn't even start until next week. I am hoping to someday teach history at the college level.

I feel bad for all those students you might one day have. What better way to keep abuse of investigation than to continue to spread it?

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@Harper,

Why didn't you site the whole paper?

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@Krumple,

I was in the process of editing the post when you responded to it. Also, you first posted that you really enjoyed the paper then that post was deleted. I have posted many of my papers in their entirety at A2K.

Here is the link to the FDR paper...

http://able2know.org/topic/194246-1

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@Harper,

Harper wrote:

I was in the process of editing the post when you responded to it. Also, you first posted that you really enjoyed the paper then that post was deleted. I have posted many of my papers in their entirety at A2K.

Here is the link to the FDR paper...

http://able2know.org/topic/194246-1

The problem was I was in the middle of reading it and decided to see if you had snagged the paper from another source because it didn't sound like any kind of history paper I have ever read. I came across your blog where you have the paper displayed so I edited my post after finishing the read. Since you had only supplied half the paper up to that point it wasn't bad but after that it falls apart. I still don't see it as a history paper at all.

I bet you wouldn't be shocked to hear me say that I don't think FDR was all that great of a president. Most attack me for that criticism because they are convinced he "saved" america. Na, he was the initial step for america to go down the socialist road. He helped strengthen the government to take more rights away from the people and allow the FED to artificially set interest rates which would lead to our current economic problems.

But you weren't addressing his political views or his policies and were just talking about his use of speech and ability to talk. Comparative to that of Obama I am assuming although you don't really do a direct comparison between them.

Not sure how you could really compare the two anyways. FDR didn't have a teleprompter to make mistakes with or to prefect his speech. But I guess that is not really the point now is it?

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@Krumple,

Krumple wrote:

Why didn't you site the whole paper?

That would be "cite" when you want him to quote from a paper.
Site is what you visit on the web or you can visit the site of a concentration camp.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

Krumple wrote:

Why didn't you site the whole paper?

That would be "cite" when you want him to quote from a paper.
Site is what you visit on the web or you can visit the site of a concentration camp.

Thankx troll. Or is that thanks, troll? Or should that be thank you troll? Is this all you have to offer?

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@parados,

Harper (I think) mentioned earlier that Krumple isn't 'well-educated'. "Semi educated" would be appropriate as well. But "semi" might be confusing ...

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Harper (I think) mentioned earlier that Krumple isn't 'well-educated'. "Semi educated" would be appropriate as well. But "semi" might be confusing ...

And walter thinks he is funny or insightful.

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@Krumple,

Yes. The one an/or the the other. And besides that, I've seen sources about the Holocaust in original, could read them, worked with them ... And spoke to people of "both sides".

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Yes. The one an/or the the other. And besides that, I've seen sources about the Holocaust in original, could read them, worked with them ... And spoke to people of "both sides".

And you assume that I haven't?

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@Krumple,

Yes, I do. Ich bezweifel nämlich ganz stark, dass Dein Deutsch so gut ist, dass Du Sütterlin lesen kannst. (Oder auch Fraktur, obwohl Antiqua ab 1941 die "offzielle" Schrift wurde.)

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@Walter Hinteler,

Well I only took 3 years of german and the last year that I took it, I was the only student. So to answer your question, no my german isn't good enough to read it.

It doesn't matter. I didn't use german as my source. There are plenty of sites that host holocaust survivor stories. These are people who claimed to have experienced it first hand. These stories are told in english or translated.

If you want to say these stories are not credible, then I would agree with you. I don't hold personal testimony with very much value. Courts of law don't even hold personal testimony with much value.

Just like I know there are thousands of people who claimed to have seen aliens and they tell their stories. I still don't believe aliens are visiting the earth.

Just like I know there are thousands of people who claimed to have seen bigfoot and they tell their stories. I still don't believe that bigfoot exists.

However; you can take what someone says in their story. The details and see if they add up to anything credible. You can test their numbers, dates, and validity to see if it adds up. This is what I have done.

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@Krumple,

So I was right (as was Harper).

It really makes a big difference, if you just talk about 'history' or know about it.

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@Krumple,

Krumple wrote:

I didn't use german as my source.

Any idea how many Germans, who lived during the Nazi period, could write in English? And how many did so? Especially, how many official papers etc were published in English? And explicitly about the concentration camps?

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

So I was right (as was Harper).

It really makes a big difference, if you just talk about 'history' or know about it.

No sorry you weren't right about anything. You are attacking a strawman. You are implying something in which is not the case as you have since you started responding to this thread.

I am using survivors actual words as my position of testing. What they claim to be true, is what I am testing. Their statements. Not only that but several books that have been written by survivors. The claims that they make. These are the sources of data that I am testing. I have looked at maps and design layouts. I have seen documents that are associated with expansions and construction of buildings in the camps. I have collected dates of building constructions and how long they took to construct and what their initial purpose were. All of this information are from holocaust survivors on both sides.

Many of the buildings were not designed and the process carried out how many of the claims suggest. The building lay outs just did not support such endeavors. Were there gassings? Sure, I bet there were, but not at the rates which they claim took place. Did a lot of jews suffer in these camps? Yes, they were constantly infested with lice and diseases. Did the germans didn't even feed them very well despite the fact that german doctors claimed the food was sufficient.

There were even soccer ball matches in Auschwitz played among the prisoners. Seems like such a strange thing to do if you were locked up in buildings and forced only to work. This rarely ever gets mentioned because it seems like the germans weren't living up to their harsh evil oppressive cruelty. Mind you this comes directly from a few camp survivors.

I don't even know why I am carrying on. You obviously don't really care what I have to say. You have already made up your mind to not worry about the details and just be reactionary like everyone else. Vote with your feelings screw the data.

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@Krumple,

Krumple wrote:

I have seen documents that are associated with expansions and construction of buildings in the camps. I have collected dates of building constructions and how long they took to construct and what their initial purpose were.

Okay. But you said, you can't read German very well, I think.

Krumple wrote:

I don't even know why I am carrying on. You obviously don't really care what I have to say. You have already made up your mind to not worry about the details and just be reactionary like everyone else. Vote with your feelings screw the data.

Well, I would care, if you could give some veritable sources for your claims.

Take for instance those football matches, you mentioned. They were organised from 1942 onwards .... in all KZs.
You certainly have read what Odd Nansen (son of Fridtjof Nansen) wrote about it. And what the purpose of these matches had been. Try the English translation .... or read the original source(s) of those orders by Himmler and SS-Hauptamt. (Even those exist in English translations.)

What you try is to make a claim and then find something/someone's writings to prove it.

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@Krumple,

You are a sad human indeed as there is no reason to question the words of tens of thousands of survivors of those camps along with the people who ran those camps and the people who was in the military units who overran those camps and so on.

Or the mountain of physical evidence for that matter of all kind.

Had you ever even talked to a survivor of those camps directly as I had done?

There is a darkness in the soul of anyone who could play the kind of games you are playing.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Okay. But you said, you can't read German very well, I think.

I am not super fluent in it no. Do I struggle with it? sure. German isn't my native language. It doesn't matter. There are sources to help with explanations or translations and interpretation of word usage.

Krumple wrote:

I don't even know why I am carrying on. You obviously don't really care what I have to say. You have already made up your mind to not worry about the details and just be reactionary like everyone else. Vote with your feelings screw the data.

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Well, I would care, if you could give some veritable sources for your claims.

I already have.

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Take for instance those football matches, you mentioned. They were organised from 1942 onwards .... in all KZs.
You certainly have read what Odd Nansen (son of Fridtjof Nansen) wrote about it. And what the purpose of these matches had been. Try the English translation .... or read the original source(s) of those orders by Himmler and SS-Hauptamt. (Even those exist in English translations.)

Actually no they came from a survivor video.

Walter Hinteler wrote:

What you try is to make a claim and then find something/someone's writings to prove it.

No, once again you didn't even bother to look over what I had originally written just like everyone else here. You have no clue what I wrote. You didn't even bother to check what I had put out. I knew this from when you first started responding to me that you neglected to even look over what I had explained because your response reflected a person who had no clue what was being discussed and it was just an emotional response following the herd.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

You are a sad human indeed as there is no reason to question the words of tens of thousands of survivors of those camps along with the people who ran those camps and the people who was in the military units who overran those camps and so on.

Or the mountain of physical evidence for that matter of all kind.

Had you ever even talked to a survivor of those camps directly as I had done?

There is a darkness in the soul of anyone who could play the kind of games you are playing.

You are just like all the rest. You have absolutely NO clue what I even talked about. What was discussed or what I presented. You want to use this typical move because you are following the herd like everyone else building up strawmen arguments to use on me to put me into a position in which I do not hold. Why don't you actually go back and look at what was discussed? Oh because you don't care about the data or you don't care about if it is true or not. You just follow along.

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@Krumple,

No we do not care what pieces of out of context bits of informations you had try to spin into questioning the killings of 6 millions or so people in the heart of Europe that happen such a short time ago that there are still survivors walking the earth.

One such survivor I had talk to directly.

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