The distinction between war and murder becomes a fine one...

@Ragman,

Because Gungasnake brought it up.

It's A2K, what do you expect?

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@Ragman,

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Sorry, butI'm still working on my morning coffee but how does US oil consumption relate to this topic?

Oil consumption relates to every damn thing you can think of which occurs in our daily lives. Other power sources are conditional on oil consumption.

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@OmSigDAVID,

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I remain skeptical of the logical merit
of the notion that when we defend ourselves,
we MUST expose ourselves to danger.

The cachet which the warrior class has enjoyed throughout history is dependent on the risks to which it is exposed. If it ends up waging war from offices in underground bunkers it wouldn't take long before being a member of the warrior class was the safest of all occupations. Less dangerous than milking cows. Then you won't need those guns you all have to protect you against the government.

Sgt Bilko running the Drone Pool with Col. Hall's wife supervising.

You really are one very confused person. And you think we are all equally confused.

What sort of music would you choose for a march-past of the Drone Infantry Brigade. Stirring military brass bands are hardly the thing for an army of computer screen operators who kick their shoes off under the desk and jump if somebody pops a blown up paper bag.

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@spendius,

If the oil tap got turned off you would soon see how civilised you all are. This "rocking the baby to sleep" compassion fest sure does lead people into some mixed up confusions.

The confusion is a function of the oil. Clarity of mind would soon reappear if there was no oil. Oil is a bit like varnish. Up to oil Christianity had to work without varnish.

Don't think David is right wing. It's just a tough-guy pose. Like Mr Borgnine in From Here to Eternity and in the Dylan song.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Snipers are in the battlefield, not thousands of miles away, but I see your point.

Yeah! The goal of sniping
is to get progressively further away, for safety 's sake.
For snipers, getting captured has brawt bad luck.

izzythepush wrote:

I'm concerned primarily that it is counter productive,
more angry young men with too much time on their hands are inspired to join Al Qaida.

Maybe, but another enticement to war
is offering the appearance of a feeble enemy.

David wrote:

(I have a mouth on me).

izzythepush wrote:

I'd never have guessed.

because I'm so shy n quiescent

izzythepush wrote:

At the end of the day, the greatest weapon against terrorism is full employment.

That 's an interesting thawt.
Some have attributed that property to democracy,
that allegedly no democratically elected government
waged aggressive, unprovoked war, but I recognize the merit
of your assertion qua employment.

How 'd the world have been different if Adolf Hitler had not
been rejected by the Vienna Academy of Fine Arts, citing "unfitness for painting" ???

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

izzythepush wrote:
How much more so is that with drones?
I remain skeptical of the logical merit
of the notion that when we defend ourselves,
we MUST expose ourselves to danger.

Your trouble here, David, is that you think it is a necessary job. The opposing viewpoint seems to be that it is some kind of glorious game.

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@roger,

I don't think it's a glorious game, I think it's counterproductive, and does more harm than good.

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

How 'd the world have been different if Adolf Hitler had not
been rejected by the Vienna Academy of Fine Arts, citing "unfitness for painting" ???

There's a short story about a man who travels back in time to assassinate Hitler only to find, on his return, that the Nazis have won the war. Hitler was very lazy, and a lot of his military decisions were based on whims, and lacked sound judgement. With another man in charge, the outcome may have been very different.

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@izzythepush,

It's obviously a glorious game. When you kill a terrorist leader another terrorist leader is the main beneficiary.

There's no strategic gain that I can see. Not like with the infantry.

Computer screen zapping.

Oh--there's the manufacture, logistics and infrastructure to think about. Lots of jobs there. All contributing to the drone attacks.

Murder is a 100% moral concept. What does unemployment have to do with morality.

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@izzythepush,

Yep--Hitler is nothing without the receptive ears of millions. Nothing.

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@spendius,

I wasn't talking about morality, but terrorism. Most would be terrorists are angry young men with too much time on their hands.

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@izzythepush,

I wouldn't underestimate terrorists like that.

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@izzythepush,

A hungry man is an angry man.. Bob Marley

Very true. Unemployment causes all kinds of problems.

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@spendius,

I wasn't talking about the top echelons, but from the pool from which they draw support. Full employment would diminish the pool.

Have you looked at the Madrid bombers? They weren't the ideological types you would expect, quite the opposite in fact.

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@Ceili,

I don't know if you already know this, but Bob Marley was the first international music star from a 3rd World country.

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@Ceili,

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A hungry man is an angry man.. Bob Marley

Very true. Unemployment causes all kinds of problems.

Hunger is not necessarily linked to unemployment.

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@roger,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

izzythepush wrote:
How much more so is that with drones?
I remain skeptical of the logical merit
of the notion that when we defend ourselves,
we MUST expose ourselves to danger.

roger wrote:

Your trouble here, David, is that you think it is a necessary job.
The opposing viewpoint seems to be that it is some kind of glorious game.

Like deer hunting ?

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@izzythepush,

And... He is the only artist in history that can claim to have sold the majority of music sold in one genre. I believe he still sells over 50% of all reggae albums.

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@izzythepush,

Most of the terrorist henchmen are insecure, and ignorant.
In firefights in Iraq, when these young men attack supply routes, I have seen nothing but fear in their eyes, not anger. Easy targets to pick off, with a bit of speed maneuvers.
Some are just crazy and don't even think when they are fighting.

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@izzythepush,

Have you looked at the Madrid bombers?

No. I looked in amazement at a bloke telling me that there were some celebrations in a number of our urban areas after 9/11.

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