@boomerang,
To go back to the opening post of this thread, if that's ok:
"The distinction between war and murder becomes a fine one..."
(thanks for starting this thread, boomerang, it poses some important ethical questions about warfare.)
Quoting Tom Junod's article:
Quote:...Sure, we as a nation have always killed people. A lot of people. But no president has ever waged war by killing enemies one by one, targeting them individually for execution, wherever they are. The Obama administration has taken pains to tell us, over and over again, that they are careful, scrupulous of our laws, and determined to avoid the loss of collateral, innocent lives. They're careful because when it comes to waging war on individuals, the distinction between war and murder becomes a fine one. Especially when, on occasion, the individuals we target are Americans and when, in one instance, the collateral damage was an American boy.
The Lethal Presidency of Barack Obama:
http://www.esquire.com/features/obama-lethal-presidency-0812
Quote:... I would rather a hundred radicals and their families be vaporized than a single US soldier step foot on foreign soil.
The only reason we have heard about
one of the casualties, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, is because he is an American citizen. (a 16 year old who had not seen his father - the presumed target?- for two years.
But the point is, most of the people killed by the drone attacks
weren't "radicals", Joe. Most were civilians. Some of the poorest people in the world. Certainly there were/are people living amongst them, in the tribal areas of Pakistan & Yemen, who you could
consider radicals "plotting against the US". Though maybe they have been radicalized
because of the drone attacks?
Quote:..Pakistan’s tribal area has been home to the most sustained drone campaign of anywhere in the world. The attacks started in 2004 and have been stepped up under President Obama. The main defence of drone war is that it results in less “collateral damage” than airstrikes – another impersonal euphemism, this time for civilian deaths. But investigations and anecdotal evidence show that this is not the case. Collating exact figures is difficult, but local activists say that of around 3,000 casualties in Waziristan, just 185 were named al-Qaeda operatives. The Brookings Institution estimates that ten civilians die for every militant killed.
“The problem we have with Obama is this notion that if they have a beard and they are the right age then they are presumed to be terrorists,” says Clive Stafford Smith, head of the legal aid charity Reprieve. “I would estimate that the majority of people being killed are not the people who should be killed under anyone's definition.”
Drones and the "bugsplats" they cause:
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/politics/2012/06/drones-pakistan-bugsplats-death
To me, the question is not whether the US has the constitutional
right to wage war against individuals perceived as enemies, who are living in these tribal areas, it is the
morality of using such imperfect weapons (drones) which "accidentally" kill so many innocent civilians. My question is: does the elimination of the perceived enemies of the US justify the deaths of so many innocent people? To me the
human rights of those people is a
far more important consideration. How much, if any, "collateral damage" (horrible term) is acceptable to those of you who support the drone attacks?
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