The distinction between war and murder becomes a fine one...

@spendius,

Usually, but not always. You are correct.

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@Ceili,

I think it's a shame he towered over Peter Tosh. He deserves a bit more recognition than he usually gets.

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@Rorschach,

I don't necessarily think that those men were terrorists. They were fighting soldiers, I was thinking more of the people that blow themselves up in populated areas.

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@izzythepush,

The insurgency in Iraq was stopped when they hired the former insurgents.

There was also a direct inverse correlation between electrical service and how much insurgent activity there was.

Basically, if they could work they did, and if they couldn't they made trouble.

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@izzythepush,

the real terrorists are the guys pulling the strings of the folks blowing themselves and others to smithereens.

foot soldiers are just fanatically expendable collateral...

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@Rockhead,

I agree with most of what you said except for the word 'fanatically.' Google the Madrid Bombers, they don't come across as fanatics, but as angry young men who wanted to make a difference, and be remembered.

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@izzythepush,

"wanted to make a difference (by dying), and be remembered"...

I would call that fanatic.

abnormal at the very least...

brainwashing is a very powerful thing.

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@Rockhead,

It's not as simple as that, you don't have to been brainwashed to feel disatisfied with the direction your life has taken. One of the Madrid bombers was a drug dealer before he got involved. The desire to be remembered isn't that unique either.

That's the starting point for a lot of terrorists, it's all to do with who's whispering in your ear whern you're at that point in your life. Ironically, the religious are less likely to be suckered in, they know they're being fed bullshit.

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@DrewDad,

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Basically, if they could work they did, and if they couldn't they made trouble.

Maybe we would as well if there was high unemployment.

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@izzythepush,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

How 'd the world have been different if Adolf Hitler had not
been rejected by the Vienna Academy of Fine Arts, citing "unfitness for painting" ???

izzythepush wrote:

There's a short story about a man who travels back in time to assassinate Hitler only to find, on his return, that the Nazis have won the war. Hitler was very lazy, and a lot of his military decisions were based on whims, and lacked sound judgement. With another man in charge, the outcome may have been very different.

Yes; there was a REAL story
that both the English and the Russians had snipers in Germany
to take him out, but in BOTH cases, the decision was independently made
that the best place for Hitler was exactly where he was.

De facto, the Allies had a very highly placed secret agent,
in deep cover; so secret that even HE did not know it.

He was a good public speaker, tho.

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@Joe Nation,

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Viet Nam? The USA was a piker compared to what the Christian Kingdom of Great Britain did to the people of Ireland.

The US takes second place to no one in terms of sheer brutality. A piker indeed, Joe(I can spread the bullshit as well as any American)Nation

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@spendius,

That is so true, Spendi. Look at how quickly Ceili sent him scurrying for the security of his smelly little hole.

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@aidan,

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I mean that's why Sadaam Hussein was able to oversee the atrocities he did- people and their lives were nothing to him.
But the people he killed are the same people we're now killing...how does that make any sense?

Saddam was able to do what he did, Aidan, because he was put in that position to do that by the USA. The lives of Iraqis, and Kurds, or any other people mean nothing to the USA. History clearly shows us that.

If there`s oil and a brutal dictator, dollars to donuts, he`s a US plant.

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@OmSigDAVID,

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What is your objection to drones ??

Izzy has expressed his antipathy to you before. You don`t want him repeating himself.

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@Ceili,

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Another nation did help the catholic minority. They sent money to buy bombs and other armaments. Then when terrorism came to their shores they changed the rules.

That would point to that `nation``being terribly hypocritical. Surely, you`re not suggesting that, Ceili.

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@Setanta,

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So Cromwell was nice to a few hundred Jews, and therefore can be excused the murder or enslavement of tens of thousands of the Irish. One wonders if the expression "sense of proportion" is generally understood.

This can only be described as phantasmagorical. This from a guy who took an active role in one of the most disproportionate of war crimes that the US has ever been involved in, and in this, Joe(delusional)Nation, the US is no piker.

Not only that. He continues to defend that humongous collection of war crimes making pretense that it was a US white hat mission.

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@spendius,

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And, in the end, the US attempt to democratise the world might save a lot more lives than it costs.

How can you advance such a spurious notion, Spendi(question mark) That has never been the intention of the US government. It`s part of the propaganda stream to be sure, but had that been the true intent, there would have been some actual successes.

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@Rorschach,

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In firefights in Iraq, when these young men attack supply routes, I have seen nothing but fear in their eyes, not anger. Easy targets to pick off, with a bit of speed maneuvers.

Says the chickenshits with the might of the US military backing them up.

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Most of the terrorist henchmen are insecure, and ignorant.

What does that make those who volunteer to support the war crimes their leaders have begun.

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@OmSigDAVID,

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De facto, the Allies had a very highly placed secret agent,
in deep cover; so secret that even HE did not know it.

Now that`s some secret agent, Om. Aren`t there lots of US `movies`that have that central theme(QM)

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@JTT,

BIngo.

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