The distinction between war and murder becomes a fine one...

That depends what you mean by "took". If it was that a long and protracted negotiation resulted in an agreed takeover by the worthies of Dublin I feel sure that there would be nothing of what you suggest taking place.

You really are a moron. The peace process is working, your ridiculous idea, would kick it all off. You'd find it very difficult to pacify the Unionists. A lot of them served with the UDR, and know how to put up a fight.

His answer is exterminate anyone who doesn't agree with him, he already wants to kill all Moslems and Italians. Now it seems the Unionists are fair game. Soon there won't be anyone left.

By 1652 more than 300,000 Irish were sold as slaves during Cromwell's Reconquest of Ireland. During this period the population fell from 1,500,000 to 600,000 in a single decade.
During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.

I was not really suggesting it, I was trying to get some sense of the violence that was being hinted at if Ireland were to take over.

those who wish to ruled from other distant places ought to go to those distant places.

Viet Nam? The USA was a piker compared to what the Christian Kingdom of Great Britain did to the people of Ireland.

A united Ireland fully independent of the United Kingdom is supported by Irish republicans and Irish nationalists. Conversely, unionists and loyalists oppose this and support Northern Ireland remaining part of the United Kingdom. In the 2009 Northern Ireland Life and Times survey, 21% of those asked supported a united Ireland. In the Republic of Ireland, a united Ireland is favoured by around 80% of people. In Great Britain surveys show about 40% support a united Ireland.

"If a police barracks is burned or if the barracks already occupied is not suitable, then the best house in the locality is to be commandeered, the occupants thrown into the gutter. Let them die there – the more the merrier.
Should the order ("Hands Up") not be immediately obeyed, shoot and shoot with effect. If the persons approaching (a patrol) carry their hands in their pockets, or are in any way suspicious-looking, shoot them down. You may make mistakes occasionally and innocent persons may be shot, but that cannot be helped, and you are bound to get the right parties some time. The more you shoot, the better I will like you, and I assure you no policeman will get into trouble for shooting any man."

Lt. Col. Smyth, Her Majesty's Black and Tans, June 1920

I suggest to those who live on the island of Ireland become Irish and those who wish to ruled from other distant places ought to go to those distant places.

What you need to do is persuade the citizens of Toledo to want to become Michigans. So you do all you can to make Michigan a good place to live. And get a radio station beamed in on Toledo telling them and what a dump Ohio is.

50 years and Congress will nod it through if that's what the good people of Toledo want after a few Propositions and a referendum or three. At first you will have to get the traffic cops to redirect an agreed proportion of the pork barrels.

This thread is well and truly fucked now.

With the Falklands, the British are the natives, and it is Argentina that seeks to conquer them.

After the war, the release of records of the International Red Cross showed that in South Vietnamese prison camps, where at the height of the war 65,000 to 70,000 people were held and often beaten and tortured, American advisers observed and sometimes participated. The Red Cross observers found continuing, systematic brutality at the two principal Vietnamese POW camps-at Phu Quoc and Qui Nhon, where American advisers were stationed.

By the end of the war, 7 million tons of bombs had been dropped on Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia - more than twice the amount of bombs dropped on Europe and Asia in World War II. In addition, poisonous sprays were dropped by planes to destroy trees and any kind of growth - an area the size of the state of Massachusetts was covered with such poison. Vietnamese mothers reported birth defects in their children. Yale biologists, using the same poison (2,4,5,T) on mice, reported defective mice born and said they had no reason to believe the effect on humans was different.

More details of atrocities started to slowly leak out, such as that of the My Lai massacre in which nearly 500 men, women and childred were methodically shot to death in a ditch. Sadly, My Lai was unique only in its details. Journalist Seymour Hersh reported a letter sent by a GI to his family, and published in a local newspaper:

But that's the thing, he said: Secrecy isn't always the main driver here. Sometimes diplomacy is. "The requirement of non-acknowledgement" is. It's very common for cooperation and consent to be drawn from other countries only if you don't acknowledge something. They say, You can do this, but you can never acknowledge that you're involved.

So there are deals — deals that have already been made. And part of the deal is that you don't acknowledge the deal. If you do, then the country you made the deal with is obligated to do react, because now there's been a violation of sovereignty. The problem is that there are a lot of these kinds of deals, because they are so easy to make. They're a little like allowing a source to go off the record in journalism. If the source asks, Can I go off the record?, you'll say, Of course you can, because you want the source to talk. It's the same in statecraft. You make the deal because you want there to be a deal....