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It looks like Arafat was murdered by the Israelis after all. No surprise there.

 
 
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 6 Nov, 2013 04:54 pm
@izzythepush,
I'm still trying to find the proof you've offered that it was the Israelis who poisoned him.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 6 Nov, 2013 04:58 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
There's still two more reports to come, but it certainly looks that way. You've already pointed out you couldn't care less if they did kill Arafat.
contrex
 
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Reply Wed 6 Nov, 2013 05:01 pm
@Sturgis,
Sturgis wrote:
izzythepush, your title for this thread speaks volumes; yet,you continue to claim you are not anti-Semitic. If you hadn't put in the last 3 words: 'No surprise there.' it might not have been as blatantly obvious.


Puh-leaze. Don't take us for idiots. Expressing "no surprise" about Israeli govenrment instigated extralegal killings is not automatically antisemitic. One can dislike Israeli government policy or acts without being antisemitic. Lots of Jews in and out of Israel feel that way.




oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 6 Nov, 2013 05:03 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
I'm still trying to find the proof you've offered that it was the Israelis who poisoned him.

It is unlikely that he was poisoned to begin with.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 6 Nov, 2013 05:15 pm
@contrex,
contrex wrote:
Puh-leaze. Don't take us for idiots.

You are being taken for an anti-Semite. That is reasonable, because you in fact are an anti-Semite.


contrex wrote:
Expressing "no surprise" about Israeli govenrment instigated extralegal killings is not automatically antisemitic.

Sure it is, considering the fact that Israel has nothing to do with most of those deaths. And the few deaths that really are the result of Israeli acts, are perfectly legal.

You anti-Semites shouldn't whine so much when people call you on your anti-Semitism.


contrex wrote:
One can dislike Israeli government policy or acts without being antisemitic.

Yes, but we're not talking about Israeli government policy or acts here. We're talking about your anti-Semitic false accusations against the Israeli government.


contrex wrote:
Lots of Jews in and out of Israel feel that way.

Self-hating Jews are pretty goofy.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 6 Nov, 2013 05:20 pm
I am just delighted that the man died. He killed a bunch of our diplomats who were visiting the Sudan, and also killed 11 Israeli athletes at Munich. Regarding the latter, I am sure that the anti-Semites here are delighted.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 6 Nov, 2013 08:32 pm
@Advocate,
Quote:
I am just delighted that the man died.


Will you be as equally delighted if it is proven that the Israelis killed him, A?

Quote:
He killed a bunch of our diplomats who were visiting the Sudan, and also killed 11 Israeli athletes at Munich.


US and Israeli personnel are obvious targets for retribution considering the vast number of terrorist acts committed over the last 60 odd years. There are many countries that "have a right" to target the US following the pattern that the US follows.

Quote:
Regarding the latter, I am sure that the anti-Semites here are delighted.


This "anti-Semite" meme is really the silliest, most juvenile taunt imaginable. It is as ludicrous as "anti-American".
Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 7 Nov, 2013 11:56 am
@JTT,
There is zero evidence that Israel pulled off the assassination.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 7 Nov, 2013 12:13 pm
@Advocate,
Can't you read?

There's 'moderate' evidence he was poisoned with Polonium.

Some have gone a lot further.

Quote:
David Barclay, a British forensic scientist who had studied the report, told al-Jazeera: "The report contains strong evidence, in my view conclusive evidence, that there's at least 18 times the level of polonium in Arafat's exhumed body than there should be."

He said the report represented "a smoking gun". Barclay said: "It's what killed him. Now we need to find out who was holding the gun at that time," adding: "I would point to him being given a fatal dose. I don't think there's any doubt at all."


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/06/yasser-arafat-poisoned-polonium-tests-scientists

Considering how difficult polonium is to get hold of, the finger has to point at Israel.

Quote:
How would someone get hold of polonium-210?

With difficulty, unless they had access to a nuclear facility. Around 100 grams a year of Po-210 are manufactured worldwide in nuclear reactors, by bombarding bismuth-209 with neutrons.


http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/Issues/2007/January/Polonium210.asp

You can throw the insults about as much as you like, but there's no getting away from what you are. MIT put it best only yesterday.

Quote:
I never saw any of this racism in Advocate until his posted response stating how "a white woman married to a black is 12 times more likely to be murdered by her spouse." Such sweeping ignorance stunned me, but then again I make it a practice to run from people similar to those like Advocate and his breed.

Advocate came across as unduly passionate when it came to his defense of Israel and I actually saw in him someone I liked, understanding his passion in defense of the country to whom he owes his allegiance.

Thanks for exposing this poster for who and what he is, Izzy, I am grateful.

Meir Kahane, was an American- Israeli rabbi and founder of the far-right extremist Kach movement; he was shot dead in New York City on November 1990......he referred to Palestinians as "dogs." Kahane left quite a following of racist adherents. One wonders if Advocate is a part of this movement. As you say when "Oralloy called Palestinians "vermin" he seemed perfectly content to not voice any objection. Now I will throw Advocate into the same dustbin as Oralloy.


http://able2know.org/topic/224946-11#post-5487665
Foofie
 
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Reply Thu 7 Nov, 2013 01:06 pm
@izzythepush,
No other factions in that region had a motive? I heard you left my fan club. Good riddance, I say.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 7 Nov, 2013 01:10 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

There is zero evidence that Israel pulled off the assassination.
It least you are correct in so fa that Israel vehemently denies poisoning Arafat.
""In my opinion, this is a tempest in a tea cup. But even if it was (poisoning), it certainly was not Israel." Energy Minister Silvan Shalom, who in 2004 served as foreign minister and as a member of Israel's security cabinet, told Israel Radio.

And Yuval Steinitz, Israel's intelligence minister, told Israel's Army Radio: "This thing (Arafat's poisoning) is apparently joining the never-ending column of bogus allegations against the State of Israel."

We'll never know what actually happened - perhaps this will become another story for 1001 nights ...
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 7 Nov, 2013 01:14 pm
@Advocate,
Quote:
There is zero evidence that Israel pulled off the assassination.


I didn't ask a question that should elicit that response, A.

I asked,

Will you be as equally delighted if it is proven that the Israelis killed him, A?
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 7 Nov, 2013 03:19 pm
@Foofie,
Fluff, I've always thought you were an idiot, nothing's changed. Maybe it's just dawned on you.

You're right, other groups did have motive, but not many had access to a nuclear reactor.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 7 Nov, 2013 03:33 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
I agree with you that that's possible, but I don't know enough about the actuality and have read too many novels. In real life, I've no idea. Thus I wouldn't preclude it as a scenario.

After all, we have single or multiple actors here in the US working out their obsessive gripes.

But who could get ahold of polonium? That, I estimate, narrows it way down.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 7 Nov, 2013 03:49 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:
There is zero evidence that Israel pulled off the assassination.

There is zero evidence that there was even an assassination.

Don't let the kookjobs frame the issue in terms of their kookery.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 7 Nov, 2013 03:50 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:
But who could get ahold of polonium? That, I estimate, narrows it way down.

We can narrow it down much further.

Given the fact that it is just as plausible that he was killed with a death ray from Venus as it is that he was killed with polonium, the real question here is:

Who here is capable of firing a death ray from Venus.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 7 Nov, 2013 07:46 pm
@izzythepush,
You're right, I couldn't care less if they did, but that doesn't mean that I don't expect allegations to be backed up with facts.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 7 Nov, 2013 08:05 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:

I agree with you that that's possible, but I don't know enough about the actuality and have read too many novels. In real life, I've no idea. Thus I wouldn't preclude it as a scenario.

After all, we have single or multiple actors here in the US working out their obsessive gripes.

But who could get ahold of polonium? That, I estimate, narrows it way down.


I would say that the Israelis are the most likely suspects (your point about polonium access), but there has to be more proof before a title, like this thread has, is anything other than prejudice.

It's not even a sure thing that he was poisoned with polonium.

The topic of assassination has been discussed in other threads, and my view has been consistent: I don't, at all, see it as a some sort of horrifically immoral tactic.

Arafat proved time and time again that he was a very dangerous enemy of Israel and it's people. He also proved time after time that be believed terrorist murder was a legitimate tactic.

In any conflict between two large groups it makes perfect sense to take out the leaders. If they are murderous animals, then justice is served as a secondary goal. Considering the caterwauling of Israel's critics about perceived heavy-handed retailiatory strike against Palestinian terrorists that lead to civilian deaths, one would think they would applaud the precision strike of assassination with poison.

The leader dies and without any innocent collateral deaths.

Arafat was directly responsible for a great number of deaths, including those of Palestinians. That Israel was forced to treat him like the head of state of a peaceful neighboring country is utterly absurd.

The people who give the orders for killing are not only not immune to retribution, but are perfectly sensible targets. Taking them out with a polonium tipped dart is far more "civilized" than carpet bombing the street on which they live or destroying their armies and/or nations.

ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 7 Nov, 2013 08:23 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Snort, you don't like a title, I did one and did you see what happened to that?
ask me, if not.

But anyway, I'm not buying your further comments.

Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 7 Nov, 2013 08:28 pm
@ossobuco,
I'm asking.

Don't buy them. They weren't for sale anyway.
 

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