chai2 wrote:
Gracie, do you realize how much pressure you are putting on them, how weary and guilty you are making these 2 people feel?
Chai, do you realize how much pressure's on me and how they're making me feel? How come no one in this family cares about what I think? This is my life too you know.
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This morning I reread the last few pages here and wondered "If Gracie were to take the 2 words "fault" and "fair" out of her posts, she wouldn't have anything else to say about this matter.
The thing is, you are saying the words that you understand this and that as far as your dad and Katie are concerned, but you really, really don't at all.
That's because my dad being unfair and everything being Katies fault is the whole problem. And I do understand.
Quote:I've noticed many times that you don't talk about how your brother and sister feel (beyond one or two superficial comments). They are going through the same thing you know.
I dont talk about my brother and sister because I figured since you dont know them you dont care. I know it sucks for all of us and we're all going through the same thing but it seems like they're not as upset about it as I am. We all feel really different. Matt's barely home and he acts like he doesnt care about anything. He's dealing with his own stuff and all he really cares about is his friends and his girlfriend. Matt and my dad aren't even getting along so he doesnt care what my dad does either. When Matt gets his car he can come visit his girlfriend whenever he wants so I guess he doesnt mind moving either. My sister really really likes Katie and she's glad they're together and the baby's coming and everything. She's upset about moving and stuff too but she's not as mad at dad and Katie as I am.
Quote:Maybe Katie doesn't want to be a mother figure to you, and you're just seeing it that way, because it's what you want to see.
Maybe Katie's the one feeling like she has to walk around on egg shells so she doesn't upset you, because that means she has to listen again to how you don't want this that and the other.
I didnt say she wanted to be a mother figure to me. I just said that I dont want her to. She's not my mother she's my dad's girlfriend and my little sister/brother's mom. She's nothing to me.
Maybe she does and who cares? Katie's the one making everything suck for everyone else. I havent done anything to her. It's not like I moved into her house and screwed up her life.
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You just came back from a month at your grandparents. Has it occured to you that maybe your dad and Katie enjoyed the break from you? While you were busy being bored and being annoyed with your grandparents, they were probably able to get lof of stuff done, and were able to relax a little.
Nope, it hasnt. Cause I dont care.
For that matter, how do we know that dad wasn't being stupid or f*cked up when he got a woman pregnant with Gracie?
Or the other kids? Maybe him having any children at all was the problem in the first place.
Children using bargaining chips with a parent in this way is what is messed up, not welcoming a family addition and being an adult and preparing for it. Gracie has shown, and knows on some level, she is being selfish. Bargain so that you can continue the selfish behavior?
Maybe if we were robots without emotions, but we talking about humans.
Gracie, don't bargain with your father or Katie over a matter this important, that will lead to no good.
Bottom line is, you're going to out of the house in a very few years, so suck it up, or accept, and enjoy your newer family.
engineer wrote:Is she really? A shitty situation might be losing your home because your parents got laid off or finding out you have cancer or having to work 40hrs a week to help with the family finances and failing your classes because you can't study. Is getting another committed adult in your home who loves your father a shitty situation? Is moving to a nice new home a shitty situation?
That's for Gracie to judge, not us. If the situation is making her feel shitty and out of control, then yes, she's in a shitty situation.
If she is asking my advice, I would say from the outside it really doesn't look that bad. My advice is to step back and try to see the situation from a non-Gracie perspective.
I certainly don't advise a coordinated, premeditated effort to extract concessions from the newly forming family, concessions that will almost certainly cost her father far more than the benefit she derives.
Why approach your relationship with your parent as adversarial when it has never been that way before? You might want to do that with your boss but I can't see doing that with a father who you love and respect. This is his time of need, not Gracie's time to demand privilege.
In the summer I was about to turn fourteen, I moved with my parents from a place I was very happy in Illinois, with many close friends, to live for the next three years along with them at my aunt's small house in California, when I had no friends with the exception of two cousins I didn't see much of, and a father often without a job. Oh, and found myself going to a new high school two long bus rides away, where as I said I knew no one.
I know about being wrenched away, but I understood the whys of it. Not that I'm all so perfect but that it was clear that was what was happening. I did a lot of reading that first summer.
I do agree with Firefly - I think it was she who said - be active in helping the move and family blending work. Enjoy house hunting. Years of parental house hunting when they never could afford to buy was how I got interested in architecture.
Gracie, as others have said, you may be surprised what you'll like, and yes, not like, in the changes.
Now granted Gracie's situation is more complicated. But Gracie, I hope your dad has sat down and talked with you on this. Explained his reasons - has he? If not, I'd ask him if you two could sit down and talk. Have you told him your concerns? In a mature way? It may not change anything, and you may still not like it, but hopefully you are mature enough to at least understand and respect where he is coming from. And I'd hope he would understand and respect your concerns.
Have you discussed how you can stay in touch with your friends? Future visits arranaged and such? Both my daughters (13 and 9) are worried about not seeing their "old" friends. It is helpful if you can at least find ways to stay in touch and meet up. Just a few hours away - could you visit on school vacations/long weekends and sleep over a friend's house. We do this now with my 13 year old where her best friend moved a couple of hours away.
Just remember - as much as it may appear he is happy about this - he is under alot of stress with it and is most likely hiding this stress from you kids to make things easier for you all.
I'd like to hear from Gracie if her dad has had a sit down with her/the family to talk about all this.
From what she has said in the past about her father, I honestly believe he has done so, and not acted in a complete vacuum.
Gracie, if I sounded angry before, I wasn't. It's just that this is not going to go away, this isn't some horrible terrible thing.
In your title it says "I'm going to be a big sister"
Turn the words around a few different ways.....The baby is going to be everyone's little sister/baby. Your dad is going to be a new father, Katie is going to be a new mother.
When you go off on your own in a very few years, aren't you going to be the new person then too? What's the difference if it happens twice, or now?
Is it because in a few years it's going to be what You want?
Gracie,
I just want to add one thing sweet.
Can you do me a favour ? Be nice to Katie for the time being, I mean she's how many months pregnant now? It's an extremely stressful time for her at the moment. Complications can take place as well.
Sometimes, in life we also have to take ourselves out of the aquation when something more pressing is in place, think of other people for instance, instead of ourselves.. It's only a few weeks and who knows, you may get to know her just a little more, share that time with her you know? Leading up to her having your sister/brother, this should also be an exciting time for all...
I do agree with Firefly - I think it was she who said - be active in helping the move and family blending work. Enjoy house hunting. Years of parental house hunting when they never could afford to buy was how I got interested in architecture.
I guess I could do that. I know we have to move and I get why but Im still mad about it. House hunting doesn't sound all that fun to me. And except for sometimes fighting with Katie, I am trying to help the family blending thing work. Me and Alaina and Josh and all of us get along great. They already feel like my little brother and sister. And Im not bratty with Katie all the time. I dont hate her or anything and Im not trying to hurt her. We talked for a little while yesterday when she asked me to help her with dinner and I told her I was sorry. I dont mean to be bratty with her I just get mad sometimes and its easier to just take it out on her I guess. Everythings really different and Im just not used to it yet.
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Gracie, as others have said, you may be surprised what you'll like, and yes, not like, in the changes.
I know.
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I went from a place where, as me, I'd never been so happy - I was an only child and we moved a lot in earlier years. We'd last moved from NYCity where I had one actual friend (we wrote letters, she later visited me in California and I felt we didn't know each other anymore, she wore tons of makeup, gah). When we landed in Chicago after New York (Evanston, specifically), I right away had neighborhood girlfriends, something that was completely new to me. These are the ones I'm still semi in touch with. Their friendship meant more to me, I see in retrospect, as most of those were in big families. Hah, catholics. That set of years was filled with all sorts of pleasures, liking school, playing with the neighbor girls, all sorts of stuff I'd not known about re games and sports and food and, best, friends playing. There was bad stuff too, as my parents struggled re my father's work, and that is a large subject I won't go into now.
I knew we were in trouble, house silence the mode, and did remember California from when I was there before. I was born in Los Angeles, we moved to Dayton, Ohio during the war, back to Los Angeles, to New York, and so on.
The high school I went to in LA was small and very strict. (I've written about it on a2k before). There were cliques, as there are everywhere, but that was when I first really noticed. We wore uniforms, but you could tell who was in because they wore the right socks (I'm not kidding).
I was smart (well, smart enough) but very shy. The other people appeared to know each other, but not as a whole group as they too were from different schools.
I was good in sports back in Chicago and playing golf with my father and uncle but completely nonplussed by gym class where volleyballs were flying around. I'd never heard of volleyball and gym class didn't improve my understanding.
I did make one long time friend that year, a girl like me, not 'outcast' but not in.
I pretty much stayed that way but outcasts and in groups changed - some of the outcasts were pretty interesting and some of the ins were fools, so things evened out as time passed.
In the summers, I spent my days going with my mother and aunt to the grocery store and laundramat and the Slenderalla Salon, which featured leatherette beds that jiggled one's fat. Rest of the time I read every book in my aunt's house, Dickens and westerns left from my uncle who had died in '44. Plus library books, 7 or so every two weeks. Plus the local newspaper, then with an interest in sports, which I'd picked up in Chicago.
Once every few weeks I'd get to see my friend Kathleen. She was particularly into making dolls for Seventeen magazine, a matter that didn't interest me, though I like sewing and had dolls in my past. But I went with her family to Disneyland, just recently opened, and to San Francisco, which, in a way, reopened my world.
In the beginning of my junior year, coincident with my sixteenth birthday, I got a job at our local very good hospital and that changed my life. I was already interested in medicine (read medical history books among all those books I mentioned earlier). But at the hospital I found a whole new world. I worked there something like six years, taking mini xrays, being a cashier, admitting clerk, handling reservations for beds. I stopped being shy, learned a lot about real people.
Meantime, we bought a house, and I got involved in the remodelling. I liked it, had strong opinions. My choice of paint for my room was poor. More learning.
Later, much later, I learned that scholarly boyfriends tended not to know how to fix a window (etc.)
Long answer from me, but I'm hoping you ride with all this.
I havent gotten a chance to do that with my dad yet but he said we're gonna talk today though. Just me and him and my sister and brother. No Katie. And there's not gonna be any yelling or walking away, we're all just gonna listen to each other.
chai2 wrote:
For that matter, how do we know that dad wasn't being stupid or f*cked up when he got a woman pregnant with Gracie?
Or the other kids? Maybe him having any children at all was the problem in the first place.
Why would you even say that chai? I get that you're annoyed with me and that you think I'm a brat but I'd never say anything that mean to you. You really suck sometimes.
This part sounds like she's just kind of waiting to find out their decision:
Gracie wrote:My dad and Katie aren't sure where we're moving. He told us he was thinking about moving on the phone when we were in Canada. (Told not asked. He doesnt even care what we think ) He said he was looking but he wasnt sure yet. A few days ago I overheard him and Katie talking about moving to a city around the Bay Area so thats like 2-3 hours away.
But maybe he's talked with her since then, or plans to but hasn't yet.
I certainly don't advise a coordinated, premeditated effort to extract concessions from the newly forming family, concessions that will almost certainly cost her father far more than the benefit she derives.
Why would you even say that chai? I get that you're annoyed with me and that you think I'm a brat but I'd never say anything that mean to you. You really suck sometimes.
What man/woman of their age gets pregnant?
Maybe the pregnancy was an accident, and maybe it wasn't, but they clearly want this child and they want to be together.
Everythings really different and Im just not used to it yet.
JTT: What man/woman of their age gets pregnant?
Come on, JTT--how ancient do you think these people are? Laughing
Maybe the pregnancy was an accident, and maybe it wasn't, but they clearly want this child and they want to be together.
Ancient enough to realize that a pregnancy and even their new relationship could do exactly what it is now doing to their respective families. That a slower approach might have been a better approach.