Women's rights being eroded by republicans

Should women be counseled by the state/feds before an abortion? In my opinion? Yes.

I don't generally think women are (totally) fit (because of hormones) to make those decisions and a slight "cool down" period is necessary.... a couple days...

80% of cases should be confidential except in abusive cases.

i.e. women who have too many abortions and possibly unnecessary abortions. like, why kill a baby... some women think abortion is good.... generally it is not good... you are bad... even in a liberal sense...

abortion is certainly not holistic.

Men have no choice at all. We either get the news that the baby was aborted or we get the news that we are going to be a father and have to pay child support. Where is the mans choice? What if the father of the child wanted to raise the child on his own, but the woman wanted to abort?

You, of all people, want life to be "fair"?

It's called interpersonal relationships Baldimo. 2 people have to work it out themselves and they both may not get what they want. Tough titty if you don't get what you want. Life ain't fair.

What is that supposed to mean me of all people? I'm all about fairness.

How can 2 people work something out when the male partner has no say in the matter? The woman has an abortion and the man looses a child, she has the child and he looses his paycheck. Where is the fairness? It might be a woman's body, but the child is part of the man as well. It takes 2 to tango, but only one to terminate?

Condoms, dress for the occasion.

Condoms are not cost free, they cost a good deal of pleasure....

you have the choice to keep it in your pants.

I life without a good supply of pussy is a life not worth living....

Your description of women as pussy is telling.

EWE!

How so? I have never hid the fact that I am a libertine. I mostly have no interest in having a relationship with women, I am after the erotic games. Luckly for me there are increasing numbers of women who are down for that, this is the positve side of women turning more masculine.

I was supposed to be an abortion myself and so was my younger sister.

My mother was 49 and my father was 59 when I was born. and my mother was 41 and father 61 when my sister was born.

I was born Cesarean and so was my sister.

My mother was raised roman catholic but converted to protestant religion by the time of my birth.

Yet she still held to some of the pro life ideas of the catholic church, as we heard stories of nuns burying their children in the back yards of sanctuaries. When my mothers's doctor heard that she was pregnant with my younger sister he actually threw a pencil at her.

There were several reasons for this. He had surgically cut my mother a certain way when I was born figuring she would not conceive again. So this led to complications in my younger sister being born. He tried to convince my mother to abort my sister as he had also done for me. She declined...

Either way the doctor would get paid whether for a birth or an abortion. He was concerned about my mother's health. Him and her worked it out according to her wishes.

My mother was 60 when I turned 20 and she died a few years back at age 79.

So in spite of having us children she might have had a few more gray hairs but her health did nor suffer. Had she had the abortion she would never have met her only gay son (me) and her daughter who goes on to have the largest family of all of my siblings.

Why do I tell this story? I am not sure. I just hear people on both sides of the argument and I personally have been affected by this type of decision. I may not have been here had it been for family planning. I was born before family planning existed. I am not against family planning but I am also not 100% for it.

I see problems with it. So it is not a perfect system as it is.

How to fix it? I think doctors are at fault mostly. Yes they provide a service to couples but the can also destroy a relationship and a family.

I knew a girl once who fell in love with me. I was much older than her and I played guitar on the streets. When she finally realized I was really gay and not just saying it, she at the same time moved away to another city.

She met another musician there. He had been a former alcoholic. He was on the bandwagon and begged her to never let him touch the bottle ever gain. Apparently he was not gay either... Well he got her pregnant. Then he went back to drinking. So she got an abortion. She moved again. Met another guy and made lots of babies with him. Not sure what his character was like. I haven't seen her in years. I knew her back when she did a lot more than alcohol. Just hearing the details of the story makes me think she aborted that first man's fetus simply out of spite. I did not seem to have the same connection with her after that. It seemed to damage her slightly. Could her doctor maybe have helped her to come to terms with the first child? Apparently he let her abort the child no questions asked.

This next story is about one of my ex boyfriends who decided to dump me and make a few babies with various women.

He met a girl and him and her proceeded to make babies while they would fight tooth and nail every night nearly killing each other. Verbally abusive and at times even physically dangerous to each other.

On his third child with the first woman he comes by and tells me he and his girlfriend go in together to abort the third child.

His reason, well, we had been fighting. I asked him if his doctor advised him that both he and her had hormones that were making you fight like this and it was a natural part of making babies for most couples? Apparently this whole thought of him being controlled by drugs produced in his own body was all new. That means his/her doctor aborted his third child without any questions asked. So he dumps his first girlfriend after that and takes the two children finds another woman and they are making babies now.

I said to him are you aware you probably just aborted your son? He seemed out of it like he had just come down from a big drunk. His face was all broken out with stress pimples like he looked like he had been carrying the boy himself not her.

I just think doctors have too much wiggle room here. Couples do need sound, "non religious" counseling... They are not getting it with the current system. Some doctors are not doing their jobs in an ethical and thorough manner.

Maybe I don't see all the good planned parenting does but I am aware of some of the bad. My heart goes out to all woman who have had abortions. I know how they suffer, (how do I know? It can be apparent how woman and men carry this guilt. Many of my friends have had abortions.) I do not bring this up to prolong this pain. I bring it up to blame doctors who do not at least try to resolve more of these issues with good counseling and some moral accountability.

Doctors should not abort babies because a couple are in the midst of their umpteenth millionth fight. There should be in some cases a cooling down period of a day where they can possibly reconsider. This is taking advantage of the couple and not being a help at all. Using a doctor's negligent authority to condone an unwise act.

Their method of counseling should not be...
Throw a pencil at the woman, then try and convince her to abort... Is that the sum and substance of the Dr./patient relationship?

Ewe? You're into sheep?

Correction to my post above: My mother was 39 when I was born not 49. My apology for the error.

Thought I would post this here...

Dispatches From The War On Women: Rape Culture Thriving On Campus

http://www.care2.com/causes/dispatches-from-the-war-on-women-rape-culture-thriving-on-campus.html

I would like to clarify a few things that I think are relevant to today's laws, society and equality.

This reply is about how I as a male and a gay person understand the subject of abortion and a few other matters.

Please excuse me if I am saying something you already have known.

Taking into consideration, doctors who are incompetently derelict in solving the simple problems of their patients. Patients who get pregnant when they know full well that doing so will be potentially harmful if not fatal.

Patients who have abortions because they have a grudge. Patients who are so caught in the moment that they cannot stand back and stop themselves from being controlled by hormones and not thinking clearly. Patients who need hope and encouragement.

When all is said and done. It should solely be the woman's decision as to if she will carry the child. If the man finds her decision somehow unforgivable, he is free to divorce her and find another woman who will more closely align to his own wishes. Or, learn to accept his wife for who "she" is and accept her own choice.

As for contraception, gay people don't use much contraception other than condoms. So... the sexes have their secrets. This is nothing new.

Perhaps the church feels they can provoke the masses to some sort of collective self condemnation and shame that will lead to obedience to a highly questionable and suspicious church authority. As the church proposes that, "we the people", are all born sinners and we need them to make us holy. The next thing we know the religious people are running around with rocks, pitchforks and guns and this is when choice no longer becomes possible. All because the church instigated a response from radical, fanatical, wacko, religionists. Witch hunts and a new law for every possible "sin" under the sun, such that the spirit of society becomes smothered by intimidation, disillusion and fear...

Just because people couldn't get along.

As with good and evil, there is good law and bad law. Both are still laws. But one law rises from the unforgiving furnace of hate and brings destruction, the other law is where, from the heart, a bird of freedom rises peaceably upward to glory.

It is the law of choice that we look toward not the law of hate. The way of choice, not the way of condemnation. To live with a view toward the dream and not a view toward the punishment.

We only have this single life if we are lucky, why not live it merrily?

GOP stumbles in refuting 'war on women'

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#47024177

Maybe you do but not me. I go along in life bouncing off one random situation after another not knowing what the next random situation will be.

Your post, for example, was a random situation that came out of nowhere.