Can we just !/$$!?$?! leave now?

The US only tries to use the UN for its own use

To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;
To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;
To achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character, and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion; and
To be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations in the attainment of these common ends.

We invaded Afghansitan b/c the sons-of-bitches who ran the place were defending terrorists who attacked us; when we asked them to turn the guys over for justice, they very famously and loudly told us to **** off. So we went in and destroyed their asses, an act which we had the perfect right to do, and if some other country attacks us in the same fashion, we'll do it again. The only problem is that we didn't leave immediately afterward, but Bush had some sort of Crusade in his mind (the original plan was to take out Pakistan, Iran and Syria as well, and if things hadn't gone south in Iraq, they would have tried to do it). Don't you forget that their leadership invited us to attack them through both their actions and their words.

So you think the U.N., Russia, china and the smaller countries are taking the place of the U.S. military? How do you explain Seria. And dont think that I am attacking you because I wish the U.N. was a viable power but it has too many countries like the U.S. who look only after themselves. There isent a big country who gives a **** about its average citizen in the world. Only the 1% count.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

We invaded Afghansitan b/c the sons-of-bitches who ran the place were defending terrorists who attacked us; when we asked them to turn the guys over for justice, they very famously and loudly told us to **** off. So we went in and destroyed their asses, an act which we had the perfect right to do, and if some other country attacks us in the same fashion, we'll do it again. The only problem is that we didn't leave immediately afterward, but Bush had some sort of Crusade in his mind (the original plan was to take out Pakistan, Iran and Syria as well, and if things hadn't gone south in Iraq, they would have tried to do it). Don't you forget that their leadership invited us to attack them through both their actions and their words.

Bin Laden escaped to Pakistan after 9/11 - even the NYTimes reported about it then. Bush still invaded Afghanistan hoping to emerge as the big warrior. Remember his saying that "we'll go in there and out in 3 months".

Nothing, absolutely nothing justified the war on Afghanistan or Iraq for that matter, since we later found out that the weapon of mass destruction were a hoax. Oh well, then we got rid of Saddam Hussein, that should justify invading Iraq, shouldn't it?

You know, as a German I fully acknowledge the utter atrocities of WWII, and Germany is making certain that history never repeats itself. However, in comparison, the United States a) never acknowledges its wrongdoings

b) never learns from mistakes and

c) disregards any and every international laws that were set at the Geneva convention and/or Den Hague.

Whatever the U.S. administration does, it's justified somehow by someone and all is well. Read "Confessions of an economic Hitman" - very insightful.

I also went to the Holocaust museum in Berlin last July, cicerone.

I just wanted to make a point, that Germany has acknowledged its atrocities,
the United States not.

I have yet to hear that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were "not a necessity"....

This is also absolute bullshit. You don't seem to realize that the US could - at any moment we chose - absolutely and completely destroy any country on the planet. We could destroy your country. We have the power to kill every one of your citizens with our military and nuclear arsenal. We have the ability to do that to any country on the planet. I'm not saying this as a threat, or as some sort of cowboy-ism on my part- these are plain facts. When you have over 3,000 nuclear weapons and the largest and most modern military in the world, these are your capabilities.

You know, as a German I fully acknowledge the utter atrocities of WWII,
and Germany is making certain that history never repeats itself. However, in comparison, the United States a) never acknowledges its wrongdoings
b) never learns from mistakes and c) disregards any and every international laws that were set at the Geneva convention and/or Den Hague. Whatever the U.S. administration does, it's justified somehow by someone and all is well. Read "Confessions of an economic Hitman" - very insightful.

Oh, did anyone say "holocaust"? and there is Foofie with his antics.

Germany went further than what you describe. They paid reparations, and have built holocaust museums and memorials in some of the major cities in Germany. I was in Berlin last November, and saw the Holocaust Memorial.
The people of Germany have actively worked towards seeking forgiveness.