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Why I am not Voting Obama

 
 
panzade
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2012 07:04 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Nixon had a criminal in his cabinet that was equal to all those c.i. His name was Spiro Agnew.

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Agnew is the only Vice President in United States history to resign because of criminal charges. Ten years after leaving office, in January 1983, Agnew paid the state of Maryland nearly $270,000 as a result of a civil suit that stemmed from the bribery allegations.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2012 07:21 pm
Quote: Nixon who signed — and more importantly, fought for — the Clean Air Act and the Environmental Protection Act and the Endangered Species Act. Nixon, who in between waging undeclared wars in three countries brokered peace with China and detente with the Soviet Union. Nixon, who tried to get universal health care enacted. If not for Watergate, we might have had socialized medicine in the US.

panzade
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2012 07:39 pm
@edgarblythe,
yeah, there's a balancing act edgar. Good post
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2012 07:44 pm
@edgarblythe,
Isn`t that a sweet choice, the devil or the deep blue sea.
panzade
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2012 07:47 pm
@JTT,
Yup JTT , real life
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2012 08:10 pm
@panzade,
It`s one thing to **** over your own, Pan, but it`s a whole new ballgame when you continually **** up others lives.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 02:43 am
I bet Barney Frank was the official product taste tester.

http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/U.S./396/223/schweddyballs640.jpg
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 06:39 am
@panzade,
Nixon had war criminals stacked to the ceiling in his cabinet. He had CIA operatives who had committed war crimes/acts of terrorism long before he arrived who continued long after he left. Such is the nature of the US government.

Quote:

Deadly Deceits

My 25 years in the CIA

by Ralph McGehee

Ocean Press, 1999

(originally published 1983)

Introduction, Gung Ho!, Japan and the Philippines


Introduction

... the CIA is the covert action arm of the Presidency. Most of its money, manpower, and energy go into covert operations that, as we have seen over the years, include backing dictators and overthrowing democratically elected governments. The CIA is not an intelligence agency. In fact, it acts largely as an anti-intelligence agency, producing only that information wanted by policymakers to support their plans and suppressing information that does not support those plans. As the covert action arm of the President, the CIA uses disinformation, much of it aimed at the U.S. public, to mold opinion.

It employs the gamut of disinformation techniques from forging documents to planting and discovering "communist" weapons caches. But the major weapon in its arsenal of disinformation is the "intelligence" it feeds to policymakers. Instead of gathering genuine intelligence that could serve as the basis for reasonable policies, the CIA often ends up distorting reality, creating out of whole cloth "intelligence" to justify policies that have already been decided upon. Policymakers then leak this "intelligence" to the media to deceive us all and gain our support...


http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA/Thailand_Light_Concl_DD.html
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 07:29 am
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
Quote: Nixon who signed — and more importantly, fought for — the Clean Air Act and the Environmental Protection Act and the Endangered Species Act. Nixon, who in between waging undeclared wars in three countries brokered peace with China and detente with the Soviet Union. Nixon, who tried to get universal health care enacted. If not for Watergate, we might have had socialized medicine in the US.


When I remind other people of these actions, I also have to remind myself that in those days there were persons on both sides of the aisle who could be seen as moderates, as persons who could find ways to find real common ground. That is not the case today.

We should do a survey (or maybe there's one already done online somewhere) of how many middle ground Representatives there are in the House and whether the lack of them (I'm assuming that's the case.) reflects the actual desires and feelings held by the people of this nation.

Joe(unbending leads to brittleness)Nation
panzade
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 08:39 am
@Joe Nation,
The survey has been done and the results are shocking.

The extinction of the middle ground Congressmen that used to shepherd bi-partisan bills through the House and Senate has led to near paralysis.
How that reflects the voters desires I don't know. Everything is much more polarized.

From US News:
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But at the same time the number of people who consider themselves moderates and independents continues to grow, the number of moderates in Congress like D.Moore(Kansas) shrinks with every passing election.

Because the Democratic Party has steadily become more liberal and the Republican Party more conservative over the past few decades, those elected to Congress and the presidency tend to be at the extreme ends of the political spectrum.

No wonder so many people feel disconnected and disillusioned with their government.


I saw the statistics last week now I've got to find them
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 09:44 am
@panzade,
Is it my own blindness that I don't accept the notion that"the Democratic Party has steadily become more liberal ....." over the past few decades.

Really? Was Moynihan of New York less liberal than present day Schumer? Okay, bad example.

How about I go look and do some reading and report back.

Joe(while I'm gone, talk among yourselves)Nation
panzade
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 09:48 am
@Joe Nation,
Quote:
Is it my own blindness that I don't accept the notion that"the Democratic Party has steadily become more liberal ....." over the past few decades.

Democrats certainly seem more liberal to Republicans who are becoming more conservative and vice versa.
I'll be interested to see what you come up with Joe
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 10:17 am
@panzade,
Now more than ever, y'all vote for a DemRep or RepDem government. This slimy grip on government extends all the way to your dogcatchers. By some mysterious quirk, a number of times, dogcatcher quality candidates have been "elevated" to run for America's top job, War Criminal in Chief
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 10:31 am
@JTT,
OK JTT, you have convinced everyone that all Americans are War Criminals - now what?
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 10:42 am
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
OK JTT, you have convinced everyone that all Americans are War Criminals - now what?


Typical stupidity from the King of Stupidity. Not all Americans are war criminals. Your governments are the ones that have committed war crime after war crime and like the Germans, they have described their own undoing.

But this just illustrates your stupidity. You have never read any of the material that I have supplied - US government material that describes the ongoing terrorism/war crimes.

So I put it back to you, H2oMan, what do you think should be done with all the war criminals/terrorists that live comfortable lives? Compare them to the millions who are dead, the millions upon millions whose lives have been destroyed, the very bread off their tables stolen.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 10:45 am
@JTT,
Just as I expected, you have nothing else, you are done.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 11:49 am
@Joe Nation,
It's a very simple observation by just looking at the No Party; nothing like it existed during Nixon's presidency.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 11:52 am
@H2O MAN,
From the King of Nothing to Start with comes the King of Nothing Else.

The facts have been layed out, numerous times, H2oman. We are both in agreement as to the fact that the USA is filled with war criminals/terrorists. We just disagree as to the numbers. You think all Americans are war criminals while I think it's somewhat less than all.

So how do you propose this gets handled?
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 02:26 pm
Question? Would anyone, other than h2o consider Obama a liberal? He is and has been a slightly to the right moderate.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 02:34 pm
@Joe Nation,
Thanks, joenation, I was saying 'what?' to myself.
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