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Why I am not Voting Obama

 
 
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 04:26 pm
@RABEL222,


Obama is left of center, Obama is an anti-free market Marxists.

Saying that he is anything else is just another liberal lie.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 06:29 pm
@RABEL222,
He's to the right of David Cameron. Honest.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2012 03:08 pm
Pentagon wants $3 billion for the War in Iraq that we thought was over
rt.com
The American public has been told that the Iraq War is a thing of the past. Even still, the US Department of Defense is asking the federal government for almost $3 billion for “activities” in a country that they shouldn’t be in...
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2012 03:11 pm
@edgarblythe,
Shocked Obama lied again...
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Irishk
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2012 07:45 pm
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
After “ending” the war last year, the US government handed Iraqi operations over to the State Department. Three billion dollars — the amount that the DoD wants for a war they aren’t waging — makes up around one-ninth of the State Department’s entire annual budget. In 2012, the Pentagon had asked for $11 billion to fight the War in Iraq — which was, at the time, an actual war.


Love how they put the word 'ending' in quotation marks.

edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2012 07:53 pm
@Irishk,
We have no way of knowing what our forces are doing overseas.
snood
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2012 08:28 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

We have no way of knowing what our forces are doing overseas.


Honestly - have we ever?
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2012 08:50 pm
@snood,
Knowing is what turned public opinion against the Vietnam War. Which is a major reason we no longer are allowed to know.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2012 09:25 pm
@edgarblythe,
That's not the only problem; generals always advocate for more wars, because that's how they earn their "stripes." How else can they make a name for themselves? Peace time is anathema to generals, and most presidents consult with "them" to get advise on how to prosecute wars. That's the reason why wars are always expanded and extended.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2012 09:44 pm
@cicerone imposter,
You are at least in part right, CI.
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2012 10:20 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Knowing is what turned public opinion against the Vietnam War. Which is a major reason we no longer are allowed to know.

I think a cogent argument could be made that we have more capability than ever to be informed about things the government wants to keep covert. That's why they're so paranoid about things like wikileaks and Private Bradley Manning. Do you think we were supposed to find out about Abu Ghraib, or Black Water? I don't know; I just don't like sitting on my hands and wailing about being at the mercy of the big bad gubmint.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2012 10:34 pm
@snood,
I'm not wailing. I am trying to convince people to vote the bastards out.
snood
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2012 10:37 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

I'm not wailing. I am trying to convince people to vote the bastards out.


Leaving exactly what in their place, edgar? And I don't mean by and by, after the revolution when we can have all pure liberals in office. I mean now.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2012 05:14 am
Posted elsewhere as well, but I think it might add to the conversation here.

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Finally, he reveals his present self:
Quote:
""We are not auditioning for fearless leader. We don't need a president to tell us in what direction to go. We know what direction to go...We just need a president to sign this stuff. We don't need someone to think it up or design it...Pick a Republican with enough working digits to handle a pen...""
—Grover Norquist at CPAC


Interesting.
When George W. Bush was President, he proposed, along with Cheney and the rest of the gang, that the answer for them was an Imperial Presidency which wouldn't pay all that much attention to those pawns over on the Hill or whoever was in that marble building with all the stairs, the ones wearing robes.

Now that he thinks he's got enough of all of those rubes, both Hill and Court, in his pocket, he can reverse himself and reveal who he thinks is running this Democratic Republic.

Himself.

Oh, and, of course, his 1% backers.

And if enough of us peons keep carping about the lack of perfection in this current administration's efforts, he might be right.

Joe(They will have bought us all)Nation
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2012 06:09 am
You people think I am insisting on all liberal, all the time. I don't give a **** whether liberals or real conservatives are in the driver's seat, so long as we get some equilibrium in all this mess. Stop allowing the 1% to control every move the government makes, for starters. Accountability for the guilty. A real jobs program for the workers. Accountability for all those trillions being spent on foreign adventures. Things so simple I shouldn't have to stand against both parties to suggest them.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2012 12:21 pm
@edgarblythe,
Obama is talking about cutting defense, but the conservatives are saying "it's dead on arrival." What's dead is their brains, and they should be tossed out like so much garbage.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2012 12:49 pm
Interesting to note the suspicions & opposition expressed by posters here for "big" government actions in foreign policy, war and intervention, as contrasted with their enthusiasms for big government control and direction with respect to domestic policies affecting us all. The inconsistency is the same with conservatives who like big government in our external affairs, but who wish to be left alone on domestic matters. This should remind us all that we are very often inconsistent in the underlying values we express.

Edgar wants both "justice" impoosed on the "evil 1%" and a "jobs plan for workers". How do you do that? We are all workers, and someone has to create the jobs and earn the profits needed for the economic allocation of resources in an external world that is still competitive and eager to take our lunch.

If the 20th century has taught us anything it is that government managed economies are incapable of achieving economically efficient allocation of resources. Issues become politicized and politicians do what they must to hold on to power. That leads to situations like contemporary Greece or the failed Socialist states of Europe and Asia.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2012 01:27 pm
@georgeob1,
The difference is that the people who work the hardest only make 7 0r 8 dollars an hr while the people who set on their fat asses telling everyone else what a bunch of lazy bastards they are make hundreds of dollers an hour.
JPB
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2012 01:48 pm
@georgeob1,
I don't see where edgar used the word "evil" in his reference to the 1%, george. Did he edit, or are you projecting?
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2012 01:52 pm
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

I don't see where edgar used the word "evil" in his reference to the 1%, george. Did he edit, or are you projecting?


Do you even have to ask??

Cycloptichorn
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