Man's life Over, Cops Decide He Watched Child Porn in First Class

A nice example of the lack of civility and reason which is too often displayed when anyone attempts to talk about the wrong sexual deviants. We used to say the same things about fags though, so who knows what the future holds...right and wrong being as changeable as they are. Also a nice illustration of my claim that doing wrong to a kid is no longer a requirement to earn this hate, having a desire for anyone under our made up AOC is the criminal act, even though the law cant get there yet. Have patience, we will get there!

You're mother did raise a fool, and a blind one at that. You don't believe in protecting children that's for sure, all you care about are your own selfish desires. You're not a heretic, you're a vain delusional idiot.

How do you know? Is it because I dont obsess about it? Because I am not willing to sacrifice everything else for it? Because I believe that kids need to fall down and need to confront adversity so that they can learn how to function as adults without falling apart the first time something bad happens?

You are displaying black/white thinking.

The world would be a better place if people took care of themselves first...one we would get rid of a lot of bossy busy bodies, two there would be less demand to install a nanny state to take care of all of the helpless saps.

That would be good to know. How about helping the process along by showing up here with on topic discussion and evidence, so that I might see where my errors are? Do you think you could get off your customary diversions and temper tantrums temporary so that you could get this done?

You're the one displaying no thinking, yearning for the days when we punished gays and turned a blind eye to the actions of paedophiles. I'm sure you'd prefer it if we started punishing child prostitutes and leaving the abuser well alone.

The liberty of everyone on the net to not have their ever move recorded for two years or more on the theory it might help find pedophiles for one thing.

With the government able to access those records without a warrant and anyone who can pay a lawyer to get the records subpoena.

Hell to allow the government to play games with the DNS servers and in effect censor the internet on the claim that it will help in the CP fight.

All the above was bills in congress this session.

Yes the government and the courts would never abused such powers and not go after and spy on people who just happen to disagree with them on any subject.

In child porn cases most of the victims never hear of the offenders.

Once more creating the material in the first place and sexual abusing children is not trading in CP and they are separate matters.

The prof on the plane as far as we have any reports of did not know any of the children in the videos/pictures he were claimed to had been viewing.

So, it's no big deal for you if children are sexually abused by pedophiles? This helps them to "confront adversity"? Being sexually abused by a pedophile is a positive experience for a child in your mind?

Spoken like a true egocentric narcissist.

Except that children need the protection of responsible adults, and it is the responsibility of adults to provide that care and protection--and that includes protecting them from harm and abuse, including sexual abuse and sexual exploitation.

You are not interested in the evidence of harmful effects of child pornography--you've disregarded all evidence presented in this thread.

You've tried to deny the reality of child pornography by claiming it contains rather innocuous images, when in fact the legal definition, the only definition that matters when people are charged with child pornography offenses, refers to sexually explicit images of children--children who are deliberately posed in sexually explicit positions or actions, children who are shown engaged in sexual acts with adults, children who are shown in scenes of sexual bondage or sadomasochism--all of which constitute sexual abuse and exploitation of the children in those images.

Where is your evidence that children are not being harmed when pedophiles collect and share these pornographic images of child sexual abuse? You disregard victim impact statements, you disregard about 20 years of legal rulings and case law, and you disregard the views of most of the world on this issue.

You seem to feel that all acts, no matter how harmful to others, are perfectly acceptable in the pursuit of one's own sexual gratification--as you said, you take care of yourself and your own needs first. That you see personal sexual needs, including the desires of pedophiles, as trumping all other issues, including harm to others, reveals your own warped, self-serving, and deviant moral values.

You keep mentioning that you come from an abusive background, you have also mentioned the sexual abuse of your wife and children, and perhaps you have been so conditioned to accept abuse and sexual deviancy as the norm that you no longer have the capacity to understand, either emotionally or intellectually, why such behavior is not only wrong, but repugnant to most people.

You clearly identify with sexual abusers and you consequently deny that they leave victims in their wake, or you actively resent the victims of such crimes and anyone who recognizes or supports them. You appear quite emotionally stunted, or dysfunctional, in your inability to empathize or understand the impact of sexual violations or sexual assaults on victims. Even when you have mentioned your own wife and children, your lack of empathy has been striking, and you repeatedly bring them up only to somehow validate your own alleged experience with sexual abuse. In other words, you use what happened to them to try to make yourself look good--you turn the stories of their abuse into something to benefit yourself. You don't have the capacity to muster empathy even when it concerns your own wife and children.

You seem to equate appropriate emotional responses with weakness, and you routinely discredit and insult others who express such normal human emotions, such as real anger toward those who sexually abuse and exploit children. Normal people do not maintain indifference or emotional detachment when they feel outrage, and normal people feel outraged when children are abused. Normal people feel outrage when images of children being sexually abused are exploitively circulated and collected by adult pedophiles for their own deviant needs.

The government has every right to go after people who are violating child pornography laws. And every government in the civilized world does that--with the approval of the people they represent.

That you cannot understand how the circulation and collection of child pornography contributes to the continuing sexual abuse and sexual exploitation of children, something that is easily understood by most people of normal intelligence, reveals your own obvious limitations.

If you are sexually aroused by thoughts of sexual involvements with children, you will have to rely on your own self-generated fantasies. You will not be legally provided with sexually explicit images of children, images which record the sexual abuse of children, in order to satisfy your deviant sexual needs.

Odd as I had never disagree one time repeat not one time that CP trading should not be again the law at least those that do not involved teens lovers sharing pictures with each other.

That is using the law that had been sold to the public as a means of protecting minors as a weapon to destroy those very minors’ futures.

My main problem however is how insanely harsh US federal laws happen to be compare to all other Western countries and how our laws do not break down the seriousness of the misdeeds so that material showing 16 or 17 years olds willingly engage in sexuality activity is not consider the same as materials showing the rape and torture of young children or even infants.

For the one thousand and ten times I am of the opinion that the UK law is the model we should adopt.

Oh and we should never grant the government the power to keep databases on the whole population of the country internet use using the excuse of fighting CP trading or the broad power to censor the net using the same excuse of fighting CP trading.

Do you think that the lobbies of the RIAA and such care about CP tradings instead of using it as an excuse for getting laws pass for their own purposes Firefly?

Our child pornography laws certainly do differentiate between pictures of 16 and 17 year olds and those of young children and infants, and between children, of any age, shown in torture or sadomasochist scenes, and those who are shown in simply sexually explicit poses.

You are ignorant of the child pornography laws in the U.S. and the sentencing enhancements used, depending on the content of the images. It is not all that different from the U.K. You just don't know what you are talking about.

Can you provide a link to a conviction for child pornography in the case of two teen lovers sharing photos with each other? Has a conviction of this sort ever happened?
How would the government even know this occurred, if it was private, and only between two young people who were in love?

You are of course up to your normal routine of trying to vilify your opposition rather than dealing with the subject matter. Emotion is the wrong tool for the job when one wants to get to justice or wants to end abuse, which you are smart enough to know, but that does not stop you from wallowing in emotional appeals when you cant come up with anything to support your argument.

No evidence is needed because the claim of harm is impossible . The claimed harm is emotional harm, and one can not be emotionally harmed by an act that which they have no knowledge of.....there is no impact. The state is completing the harm by telling victims that picks of them are being traded because sadly the state places a higher priority on pounding on abusers and/or sexual deviants than it does in protecting victims from harm. When pics are found of children it is a good idea to try to identify them and check up on them, but informing them that images of them are out and about is a sadistic act.

You're doing a good enough job of that on your own without anyone else's help.

The claim is not just of emotional harm. The violation of privacy, as well the emotional harm, are issues in civil suits brought by victims against child pornography defendants who possess their images, and these claims have been upheld in civil suits with damage awards.

Giving the victim the option of knowing when a defendant has possessed or shared his or her images allows the victim to institute such civil suits. The victim can opt out of such notifications if they wish to.

And you disregard, entirely, the fact that it is the consumer who creates the continuing demand for the sharing and production of child pornography--the consumer keeps the entire child pornography industry flourishing. That results in the continuing sexual abuse and exploitation of more child victims, and that definitely is evidence that the seeking and possessing and sharing of child pornography constitutes harm to children.

Your alleged "position" on this topic is a joke--it rests on nothing substantitive, you have no compelling evidence to support it, you disregard all evidence to the contrary, yet you insist, and believe, you are right. Most people consider such thinking delusional. And that's why no one takes you seriously or regards your ideas as having any merit.

What I said to BillRM, I say to you as well...

If you are sexually aroused by thoughts of sexual involvements with children, you will have to rely on your own self-generated fantasies. You will not be legally provided with sexually explicit images of children, images which record the sexual abuse of children, in order to satisfy your deviant sexual needs.

Sorry but that is not true concerning federal law as written there is no repeat no difference in a 17 year old what to be porn star video and an infant being rape video in the law.

Now normally the Feds do not prosecute such low level offenders and turn them over to the state to prosecute but they are under no obligation to do so and can indeed under the federal law as written prosecuted and demand the same level of punishment in both cases.

You are so full of ****, you'd have us believe that all viewers of child abuse are watching consensual 17 year olds the day before their 18th birthdays, when the reality is, it's children being abused.

In this particular case it is children. You're just trying to muddy the waters, and failing miserably, in order to justify your own vile viewpoint.

Sorry but higher courts had been starting to rejected large as in millions of dollars paydays for victims against viewers of such material and kicking such judgments back to the lower courts.

Seem they the higher courts are having a problem with the out of thin air amounts of damages that some lower courts are coming up with.

Citation needed.

Technology is only a decade or less alway from giving any one using home equipment the abilities to produce fake CP that off hand could not be told from the real thing.

Problem solve the pedophiles can get to get off on fake CP and no children are being harm ie Legal CP as the last I hear such non real CP is protected under the constitution.

You don't think that watching computer generated images of child abuse normalises child abuse and increases the numbers of children being abused?

This man wasn't watching computer generated images, he was watching real children being abused.

If someone is aroused by watching fake child pornography, sooner or later they're going to want to move on.

Your 'solution,' just makes matters worse.