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Man's life Over, Cops Decide He Watched Child Porn in First Class

 
 
firefly
 
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Sun 22 Jan, 2012 06:14 pm
@hawkeye10,
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That does not include seeking out and locking up all those who think of little girls in a sexual way out of fear that they might some day harm a little girl. That is nuts, that is criminalizing desire and is using our thoughts rather than our feelings as justification for punishing us

Except that no one gets arrested for their thoughts, or their desires, they get arrested for their actions.

Get a grip on yourself, Chicken Little, you are going off the deep end for dramatic effect and you just wind up sounding overly melodramatic and hysterical.

The man was arrested for possession of child pornography--it's illegal pretty much the world over, not just in America--and, not only have people all over the globe not wanted to cut back on government's ability to try to control the production, distribution, and possession of child pornography, they've increased it, along with the penalties involved for violators.

If you think the state is policing your thoughts in terms of whatever sexual fantasies you have about children, then you better put on your tin foil hat to protect yourself. You'd be better off with some meds for your paranoid delusions, but, Drama Queen that you are, you're more likely to wear a tin foil hat and consider it a crown.

And if you do possess child pornography, the state might come after you, for your illegal behavior and not your thoughts, in which case, you will have invited such action on their part by knowingly violating the laws.

Your paranoid hysteria really wears thin, in fact threadbare, from overuse on your part. It's a very tired routine.

hawkeye10
 
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Sun 22 Jan, 2012 06:33 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
FOUND SOUL wrote:

No I agree. There has to be some reason for belief that, that person may be dangerous to children, not a "thought".. If they "think" then they can put that person under surveylance for as long as needed and that will save that child.




To much work and expense....the American Government is not willing to do that. Remember that this is that state that works hard to run the "justice" system on the cheap, as it forces through over 90% of its cases on short circuits call plea bargains. If the state had to actually normally prove its assertions it would instantly run out of judges and courtrooms.
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hawkeye10
 
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Sun 22 Jan, 2012 06:35 pm
@firefly,
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Your paranoid hysteria really wears thin, in fact threadbare, from overuse on your part. It's a very tired routine


Keep playing that card honey, it goes to show how dishonest you are. More and more people are singing my tune all the time. Denial by the apologists for the abusive state no longer works, as there is too much evidence and too much personal experience to contradict your claims for your claims to fly anymore.
hawkeye10
 
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Sun 22 Jan, 2012 08:07 pm
@hawkeye10,
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That does not include seeking out and locking up all those who think of little girls in a sexual way out of fear that they might some day harm a little girl. That is nuts, that is criminalizing desire and is using our thoughts rather than our feelings (should read "actions ")as justification for punishing us. We are all proud of ourselves for condoning homosexuality, we say that this makes us so much better than an ancestors, but we practice the exact same BS....only the target has changed.

We know through history where this train goes, once the state is allowed to claim the right to police our thoughts in one area it will always work to expand the claim. We see this right now as the American Government works to set up stooges on terrorism charges. What will be next? Something will until and unless we the people say ENOUGH!, and cut back the powers of the state in response to the states continual pattern of abuse of power.
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firefly
 
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Sun 22 Jan, 2012 08:51 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Keep playing that card honey, it goes to show how dishonest you are.

No, I'm being extremely honest when I say your paranoid hysteria is wearing thin from overuse. You are quite the flamboyant Drama Queen.
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More and more people are singing my tune all the time.

Not on the issue of child pornography they aren't. Around the word, the laws for possession and distribution of child pornography, and the punishments, have increased, suggesting that your "tune" is discordant and unacceptable to most people in the civilized world on this particular issue.
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Denial by the apologists for the abusive state no longer works...

The state would seem "abusive" to those who want to possess child porn, wouldn't it? They have all those nasty laws making it illegal to possess, and then they can put you in prison when they find it in your possession. How on earth do they expect a pedophile to get his rocks off, huh, Hawkeye?

What's more important, Hawkeye, a pedophile having an orgasm, or stopping the sexual abuse and exploitation of the children in the pornographic images the pedophile uses for arousal and masturbation? And it's the consumer/pedophile, the one who seeks and possess those pornographic images of children, that keeps the child pornography industry thriving and encourages the abuse and exploitation of still more and more children.

The state sure is being "abusive" by trying to deny pedophiles their preferred masturbatory images of those sexualized children...and governments all around the globe are colluding in this...and they all punish those who knowingly violate the child pornography laws...it's a world-wide conspiracy, isn't it, Hawkeye, and only you can see the "truth" of what is going on...

Wherever would we be without Chicken Little to clue us all in? Rolling Eyes
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We are all proud of ourselves for condoning homosexuality, we say that this makes us so much better than an ancestors, but we practice the exact same BS....only the target has changed.

You are comparing homosexuals--who engage in consenting behavior between adults--and who were, and are, largely persecuted on the basis of other people's religious beliefs and religious intolerance--to pedophiles, who sexually abuse and exploit children for their own sexual gratification?

You really are warped.






hawkeye10
 
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Sun 22 Jan, 2012 08:55 pm
@firefly,
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What's more important, Hawkeye, a pedophile having an orgasm, or stopping the sexual abuse and exploitation of the children in the pornographic images the pedophile uses for arousal and masturbation?


This is not the first time that we have seen a group claim that they have the right to try to stop any alleged sin by any means necessary. Thing is we once had you abusive zealots on lock down, but you have slithered out from under your rocks. It is time to put you in your place again.
firefly
 
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Sun 22 Jan, 2012 09:07 pm
@hawkeye10,
You didn't answer the question...

What's more important, Hawkeye, a pedophile having an orgasm, or stopping the sexual abuse and exploitation of the children in the pornographic images the pedophile uses for arousal and masturbation?
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This is not the first time that we have seen a group claim that they have the right to try to stop any alleged sin by any means necessary

The sexual abuse and exploitation of children in child pornography is not "an alleged sin"--it is child abuse, and it is criminal, and it is regarded this way in the entire civilized world.

Children are not "fair game" for you sexually, Hawkeye, and neither is your family dog. Even corpses are legally protected from sexual abuse.

Sorry if all this cramps your style...

hawkeye10
 
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Sun 22 Jan, 2012 09:14 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

You didn't answer the question...

What's more important, Hawkeye, a pedophile having an orgasm, or stopping the sexual abuse and exploitation of the children in the pornographic images the pedophile uses for arousal and masturbation?




It is a false choice, because I dont accept your argument that the child has been harmed in your scenario. Justice demands that competing rights be mediated, and the child does not have an automatic right to short circuit that mediation with the demand that their rights always trump the rest of the society. Considering how badly we have fucked up our kids by charging up their credit card and not taking care of the infrastructure of America any claim that their rights are sacrosanct is pure fiction, of the humorous variety. Kids are the most important part of this collective when it is convenient to what ever cause is being sold on any particular day, the rest of the time we rob them and set them up for failure when there is profit in it for us. Save your sanctimony for the ignorant, I am too well educated to be susceptible to your lies.
BillRM
 
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Sun 22 Jan, 2012 09:23 pm
@hawkeye10,
She had a thing about men masturbating that for sure and who care what desires and for whom anyone have when masturbating?

Firefly is a strange woman indeed and stopping people sharing pictures of children being abuse is not going to stop child abuse as sickening as such acts of sharing happen to be.

Yes because it an invasion of minors privacies there should be punishment for having such material but years in prison for anyone but the worst of the worst offenders is one hell of an overreach.

Sending an 18 year old college student who himself is a victim of child abuse to prison for 10 years is an outrage for example.

Firefly only care about child abused victims until and if their trauma lead them to view others victim suffering similar harm.

Then we lockup an 18 years old former victim in prison where he can be rape once more for ten years as after all now we can label him an evil pedophile and we do not care about pedophiles and what happen to them.

Nor do we care about the cost to their families including their children or the cost to the society as a whole in locking up non violence offenders for years and never afterward allowing them to be useful citizens.
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firefly
 
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Sun 22 Jan, 2012 09:35 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Justice demands that competing rights be mediated, and the child does not have an automatic right to short circuit that mediation with the demand that their rights always trump the rest of the society.

Sorry, the rest of the world has decided that the rights of children to be protected from sexual abuse and exploitation trumps the rights of pedophiles to seek and possess the sexualized images of children in child pornography for their own sexual gratification.

There are no "competing rights"--pedophiles have no "right" to sexually abuse or sexually exploit children.

No one has "the right" to sexually abuse anyone else. And your view, that the children used in child pornography are not being abused or harmed, has been rejected by pretty much all the countries in the civilized world. You want to engage in denial, go right ahead, you are simply confirming your self-serving, and deviant, perspective on the issue.

As I said, you don't have "the right" to sexually abuse the family dog or a corpse either, Hawkeye.

Pedophiles do not have "the right" to possess child pornography.
hawkeye10
 
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Sun 22 Jan, 2012 09:57 pm
@firefly,
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Sorry, the rest of the world has decided that the rights of children to be protected from sexual abuse and exploitation trumps the rights of pedophiles to seek and possess the sexualized images of children in child pornography for their own sexual gratification.


the fetish over the SAFETY! of the children has run its course...it is an indigence which we can no longer afford to maintain. It also no longer passes the laugh test, now that it is clear how badly the youth have been fucked by their irresponsible and self indigent elders.

Serious question: do you really think that the youth of today, who look around and see clearly how deep a hole they have been put in by their elders, are going to be impressed with the story told by your kind about how their interests are so important that they must have their rights truncated to promote their SAFETY!???? Kids are not stupid...in fact most people are not as stupid as you Firefly clearly assume that we are.
BillRM
 
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Sun 22 Jan, 2012 10:05 pm
@firefly,
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pedophiles have no "right" to sexually abuse or sexually exploit children.


Strange as no one is against hanging anyone who is a direct abuser of children however having and looking at pictures/videos of such abuse is a very very secondary abuse indeed!!!!!!

Kind of like saying that people who buy those old type real crime magazines and get off on the pictures of the cut up bodies should be lock up for as long or longer then the people who did those crimes.

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firefly
 
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Sun 22 Jan, 2012 10:34 pm
@BillRM,
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Strange as no one is against hanging anyone who is a direct abuser of children however having and looking at pictures/videos of such abuse is a very very secondary abuse indeed!!!!!!

No, possessing and viewing the pornographic images of children is not a "very secondary abuse"--it is a continuation of the sexual abuse and sexual exploitation of the child that began with the production/creation of the pornographic image, in fact the pornographic image was created for the pedophile/consumer, and it is the consumer who generates the demand for the creation of more child pornography. The pedophile/consumer is very much a direct abuser of the children shown in child pornography--the pedophile is a direct participant in the sexual exploitation of those children and a participant in the invasion of privacy of those children. That's why these children can seek civil damages from those who possess their images.
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Kind of like saying that people who buy those old type real crime magazines and get off on the pictures of the cut up bodies should be lock up for as long or longer then the people who did those crimes.

I think the topic is really over your head. We are discussing possession of child pornography. The creation/production of child pornography is a separate crime. You seem easily confused.

So, you also get off looking at pictures of cut-up bodies? Rolling Eyes

DrewDad
 
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Sun 22 Jan, 2012 10:43 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
More and more people are singing my tune all the time.

Hearing your own voice echo in the shower is not "more and more people singing [your] tune."

The fact of the matter is that your voice is mostly raised in solo protest.
firefly
 
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Sun 22 Jan, 2012 10:49 pm
@hawkeye10,
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the fetish over the SAFETY! of the children has run its course...it is an indigence which we can no longer afford to maintain. It also no longer passes the laugh test, now that it is clear how badly the youth have been fucked by their irresponsible and self indigent elders.

Well, I don't doubt that you may have fucked up your children...

But most normal adults remain concerned with the safety and welfare of children, and certainly with the issue of protecting children from sexual abuse, including protecting children from being sexually abused and exploited through child pornography.
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Serious question: do you really think that the youth of today, who look around and see clearly how deep a hole they have been put in by their elders, are going to be impressed with the story told by your kind about how their interests are so important that they must have their rights truncated to promote their SAFETY!????

Are you saying we are truncating the rights of children when we try to prevent them from being utililized in the creation of child pornography, or when we try to prevent their sexually exploited pornographic images from being sought and possessed by pedophiles? And you consider this a serious question?

I think you are seriously out of your mind.
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the fetish over the SAFETY! of the children has run its course...it is an indigence which we can no longer afford to maintain

The safety of children is neither a fetish nor an indulgence. Most people would probably take a bullet to protect their children. You are obviously not among them.

And I'm not sure the family dog, or a corpse, would be sexually safe from you.

Get lost, you creep.



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BillRM
 
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Sun 22 Jan, 2012 11:01 pm
@firefly,
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is not a "very secondary abuse"--it is a continuation of the sexual abuse and sexual exploitation of the child that began with the production/creation of the pornographic image, in fact the pornographic image was created for the pedophile/consumer, and it is the consumer who generates the demand for the creation of more


Nonsense for the most part most such porn is gotten by way of p2p networks not purchase or traded directly.

There is trading and even some commerce manufacturing of such porn but it is hardly the bulk of such porn collecting..

Billions of dollars worth of purchases is another claim that seems to have no backing in the real world.

It does make a nice justification for having outrageous punishments but it just happen not to be true.

As a matter of fact as such porn had allowed and aided the tracking down of people who are abusing children having such material circulating is one of the few ways that law enforcement can find these people.
hawkeye10
 
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Sun 22 Jan, 2012 11:03 pm
@DrewDad,
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The fact of the matter is that your voice is mostly raised in solo protest.


The Arab Spring started with one Tunisian who set himself ablaze. I care about being right, not about how popular my opinion is, as you know damn well. But you enjoy playing stupid dont you.

Wait. It is an act, right?
firefly
 
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Sun 22 Jan, 2012 11:10 pm
@BillRM,
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Nonsense for the most part most such porn is gotten by way of p2p networks not purchase or traded directly.

There is trading and even some commerce manufacturing of such porn but it is hardly the bulk of such porn collecting..

You are an expert in how to obtain child porn, aren't you? Have lots of experience in this area? You sure know how to share those "pedofiles" don't you? Want to tell us more about how the bulk of child pornography collecting is done?

Nothing you are saying disputes my point--the child pornographic image was created for the pedophile/consumer, and it is the consumer who generates the demand for the creation of more.

Consumers don't necessarily have to pay for the product...they just use it..and create the demand for it...and the demand for more of it.

Without pedophile/consumers, those who want to possess child pornography, there would be no child pornography industry.

BillRM
 
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Sun 22 Jan, 2012 11:12 pm
@hawkeye10,
As the majority of Federal Judges had been poll as thinking we had gone overboard in the punishment level for child porn I do not thinj that Hawkeye is a lonely voice crying out over this issue.
firefly
 
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Sun 22 Jan, 2012 11:18 pm
@BillRM,
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I do not thinj that Hawkeye is a lonely voice crying out over this issue.

Of course not, sweetie, you'll always be at his side to add your voice to defend him, won't you?. Laughing

Dumb and dumber... the gruesome twosome.
 

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