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Man's life Over, Cops Decide He Watched Child Porn in First Class

 
 
izzythepush
 
  1  
Sun 22 Jan, 2012 08:14 am
@firefly,
With this, as with everything else, he's only concerned about how things affect him. He's not murdered anyone in Texas, so doesn't really care about the iniquities in Texas' penal code. He has admitted to not letting drink driving laws get in the way of him enjoying a drink, and has a lot to say about the drink driving laws as a result. It's exactly the same with child pornography.
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BillRM
 
  1  
Sun 22 Jan, 2012 09:50 am
@firefly,
Quote:
No, jerk, it's that about 95% of the Federal cases for first time possession of child porn are settled by plea deals which carry sentences as low as a few months. And that information has been posted previously in this thread. Not that you ever allow yourself to be confused by the facts.


Links pleases to such a claim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BillRM
 
  1  
Sun 22 Jan, 2012 10:35 am
http://www.cjpc.org/dp_judge_against_manmin.htm


A Judge's Struggle to Avoid Imposing a Penalty He Hated
By BENJAMIN WEISER

The defendant's crime was grave: Using the screen name BigThing, he sent thousands of images of child pornography to people who answered his advertisement in an Internet chat room. And a federal judge responded with a heavy sentence, 10 years in prison. But even as he handed down the penalty, Judge Gerard E. Lynch angrily denounced his own decision.

"This is without question the worst case of my judicial career," he said. The "unjust and harmful" sentence, he added, "has the potential to do disastrous damage to someone who himself is not much more than a child."

BigThing, authorities learned when they arrested him, was an 18-year-old college freshman named Jorge Pabon-Cruz who lived with his mother in Puerto Rico and had no prior criminal record. His trial, at a time when federal judges are chafing against strict sentencing measures passed by Congress, was the culmination of an extraordinary courtroom collision between a judge and the law he is sworn to uphold.

In the case, which has played out in Federal District Court in Manhattan over the last two years, Judge Lynch tried tack after tack to prevent the teenager from receiving the 10-year minimum sentence required by law. He urged prosecutors to reconsider the charge, or to plea bargain, which might allow Mr. Pabon to avoid the mandatory term. When all that failed, he took the highly unusual step of announcing that he would reveal in his instructions to jurors the sentence the defendant faced.

The prosecution cried foul; under the rules of trials, jurors are to base their verdict solely on the evidence. The judge, prosecutors suggested, was trying to provoke the jury into ignoring the facts and acquitting out of sympathy - in effect, encouraging an act of civil disobedience.

Judge Lynch, a former prosecutor himself, said that was not his intention but might not be a bad result. For him, the problem was the law, a measure Congress passed in 1996 requiring that anyone convicted of advertising child pornography be imprisoned at least 10 years, regardless of his age or record.

Tough sentencing laws have won wide political support in recent years, particularly as the Internet creates vast new arenas for spreading pornography and victimizing children. Those laws have angered federal judges who see the mandatory penalties and sentencing guidelines as infringements on their authority, leading some to speak out, and in one case, resign. Last month, Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist criticized a recent law that placed federal judges under special scrutiny if their sentences fell short of Congressional guidelines.

Judge Lynch, in the end, bowed to the law. He said he was not out to make the Pabon trial "some kind of cause cÀelÁebre." He has declined to speak publicly about the case, and it received little publicity.

The dispute, which continues in appeals, offers a rare look at how a judge tried to maneuver between lawmakers' command that he punish all criminals of a particular class the same way, and the judicial tradition of treating them as individuals. In court papers and interviews, the story emerges of one judge struggling with increasing limits on his power to judge.

`A Life of Its Own'

Before his arrest in 2001, Mr. Pabon appeared to have surmounted a difficult childhood. From age 5, he grew up alone in the care of his moderately retarded mother, and, according to two defense psychologists, he was teased about his mother's retardation. In high school, he maintained a B average, played the piano and sang in the choir. At the University of Puerto Rico, he was studying computer engineering.

His computer skills led him down a darker path. Mr. Pabon told one psychologist that to explore his curiosity about adult pornography, he obtained file-sharing computer software that allowed people to send images and receive others in return. The trading, he said, took on "a life of its own."

There is no evidence that he created the images, made money from them or had any contact with the children. Still, prosecutors say, his offense was serious; they say file-sharing has revolutionized child pornography by making images more accessible and easier to trade, reviving an industry that law enforcement had significantly reduced.

In fall 2001, the young man's Internet activities were being monitored by federal and local investigators in New York State. Shlomo Koenig, a detective in Rockland County, has testified that he was in a chat room when he came across BigThing's advertisement for swapping images. By mid-December, according to court papers, 2,857 people had visited Mr. Pabon's computer files, and he had traded more than 11,000 images. One showed a toddler in diapers posed as if he were masturbating a man.

Mr. Pabon came to New York in January 2002 to face a charge of advertising for the distribution of child pornography, which carried the 10-year minimum sentence. He was also charged with distributing images, a count that had no mandatory term but in a case like this could bring about five years, said his federal public defenders, Jennifer Brown and Deirdre D. von Dornum.

From the start, Judge Lynch was struck by the defendant's youth and the "enormous penalty" he could face. He urged both sides to begin talks that might allow prosecutors to "reach a different conclusion about what charge is necessary."

"I have no idea what threat he might pose in the future, or what kind of treatment might benefit him," the judge said in one hearing. "I have some difficulty imagining that 10 years in prison is going to do either him or society much good." In another, he noted that if the teenager had been charged with having sex with a 12-year-old, he would face only about five years. "This leads me to the rather astonishing conclusion that Mr. Pabon-Cruz would have been better off molesting a child," he said.

He acknowledged that Congress had cited evidence that trafficking in child pornography could lead to more predatory behavior. But, he added, "I don't want to accept some generalized fear about pedophilia as a substitute for careful evaluation of what we should expect from this particular individual and how he should be treated."

Still, negotiations were going nowhere. Prosecutors, stressing the seriousness of the offense, would not drop the mandatory-minimum charge in return for a guilty plea to the other count.

A Shift in Power

Judge Lynch, 52, once ran the criminal division of the United States attorney's office in Manhattan, the same office that prosecuted Mr. Pabon. Later, as a law professor at Columbia and even after he became a judge in 2000, he wrote critically about sentencing laws.

In a 2001 article for a law review, he advanced an argument against mandatory sentences: that by choosing to press a charge with a minimum penalty, the prosecution was effectively determining the sentence. Congress, he wrote, had taken the job of tailoring sentences from seasoned federal judges appointed by the president and handed it to prosecutors.

He cited the first sentence he had ever imposed: a mandatory minimum of 10 years for a man he identified only as "Eddie," a 53-year-old small-time drug dealer. The sentence, the judge wrote, stemmed from a young prosecutor's "spontaneous, nearly casual" decision during trial about the quantity of cocaine the jury would be told that Eddie had sold.

"I did not expect sentencing people to prison to feel good," Judge Lynch wrote. "But I was sorry and surprised to find that the very first sentence I imposed felt like an injustice. And not a small one."

In the Pabon case, he took his argument further. If prosecutors are to act as sentencers, he said, they have a "moral responsibility" to do what a judge would do: conduct a "deep inquiry" into whether a sentence is just.

A prosecutor, Alexander H. Southwell, replied that the decision to press the tougher charge had been reviewed at the highest levels of his office. Mr. Pabon, prosecutors said, was no different from other defendants with troubled backgrounds. His youth was not remarkable, either; in fact, they suggested, he fit the profile of those often charged with using file servers to trade pornography: young, computer-literate men.

If anything distinguished the case, prosecutors said, it was the volume and luridness of the images of sexual abuse.

David N. Kelley, the United States attorney in Manhattan, declined to discuss the case in detail. There might be an exceptional case, he suggested, in which prosecutors would not seek a mandatory sentence, but this was not it.

“Our job is to enforce the laws enacted by Congress," he said. "In a case where you're dealing with close to 10,000 horrific images, I'm troubled by someone who sees it as unjust to do what Congress has basically prescribed for us to do."

Conviction and Conscience

Trial testimony took only two days in October 2002. While the defense argued that Mr. Pabon was not a professional pornographer, it conceded that he had exchanged the images. Judge Lynch allowed jurors to see about 15 explicit ones. Before instructing them on the law, he granted a defense request that he tell jurors about the mandatory sentence that a guilty verdict would require.

Prosecutors objected, arguing that disclosing the sentence was an invitation to nullification - a practice in which jurors, despite the strength of the evidence, acquit because they believe the law itself is unjust.

Judge Lynch acknowledged that nullification was "a kind of civil disobedience" that was not to be encouraged and indeed was prohibited by law. But, he added, "We recognize that do act on their conscience and that, to some degree, that is why we have jurors and not technicians deciding guilt and innocence.

"And jurors' consciences cannot operate if they have no idea what is at stake," he added. If jurors were so troubled by the sentence that they decided to acquit, "that, it seems to me, would constitute a significant exercise of the historic function of the jury."

The jurors were unlikely to acquit, he said, but if they did, he suggested, it could make an important difference.

"I think that would be an instance where the government, the lawmakers and all of us would best be advised to learn what the community's standards are if they are so inconsistent with those that the court and the government believe appropriate," he said.

Prosecutors immediately appealed the ruling, and a federal appeals panel ordered Judge Lynch not to reveal the sentence, calling such a proposal "a clear abuse of discretion." Mr. Pabon was then convicted on both counts.

At his sentencing in July, he tearfully begged Judge Lynch for mercy. "I never knew a computer could harm somebody," he said. "More than that, I never thought a crime could be done on one."

After more than a year, the decision was finally up to the judge.

He called the sentence abhorrent, and noted, as the defense had pointed out, that the teenager would not be eligible for specialized sex-offender treatment for seven years. "It is shocking to me," he said.

Mr. Pabon was being consigned to a long and potentially dangerous imprisonment, the judge said, because of "the heedless use of mandatory sentencing statutes, and the intransigence of the government in pursuing this Draconian remedy."

Still, he refused a defense request that he declare the sentence unconstitutional as cruel and unusual punishment. "It is apparent to me that there has been a deliberate decision by Congress," he said, "to treat this offense with extreme severity" - a punishment that lawmakers had since increased to 15 years.

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BillRM
 
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Sun 22 Jan, 2012 10:51 am
http://www.abajournal.com/magazine/article/a_reluctant_rebellion/

Jon Hanson committed a despicable crime for which everyone, including the defendant, agreed he needed to be punished.

The 49-year-old Racine, Wis., funeral director, who had been secretly trading child pornography over the Internet for several years, had been caught sending four sexually explicit images of young girls to a man in Cleveland.

Much to the consternation of federal prosecutors, U.S. District Judge Lynn Adelman of Milwaukee sentenced Hanson last June to six years in prison, followed by a lifetime on parole.

Prosecutors had sought a sentence for Hanson of 17½ to 22 years in prison. Even that was on the low end of the guidelines range. They cited the size of his collection, which totaled nearly 900 images, the young age of some of the children depicted, and the fact that at least one of those images contained violent imagery. Likewise, in a chat with the Cleveland man, Hanson had made vile comments about some of the children depicted in the images.

Hanson, an otherwise law-abiding father of three, had apparently never done anything inappropriate around a child during his entire life. The defense cited Hanson’s own his­tory of sex abuse by an older relative when he was a child, an otherwise exemplary record, his deep remorse for what he had done, and the results of a psychological evaluation by two experts who had found him to be at low risk of re-offending.

Hanson knew going into court that he was facing a mandatory minimum five-year sentence in federal prison on the transportation charge to which he had pleaded guilty, and that he would have to reg­ister as a sex offender for the rest of his life.
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And a few weeks after Hanson was sentenced, U.S. District Judge William Griesbach of Green Bay, Wis., sentenced a 26-year-old casino worker and first-time offender to the mandatory five years, followed by a lifetime on parole in U.S. v. Ontiveros.

Jose Ontiveros testified that he had tried to delete the child porn on his computer before he even knew he was being investigated. That had no bearing on the guideline recommendation of eight to 12 years.
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Compounding the problem, Stabenow and other critics say, is a Justice Department policy requiring that all child porn cases be prosecuted for the most serious, readily provable offense. This means that even low-level offenders—those who strictly trade and view images for their own gratification—are often prosecuted for receipt, transportation or distribution, which carry higher penalties and mandatory minimums.





BillRM
 
  1  
Sun 22 Jan, 2012 11:05 am
Firefly think that is nothing wrong with these silly long sentences and even if there was she is falsely claiming that they are not the common fate of people charge with this crime first time offenders or not!!!!!!!!!!!
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firefly
 
  1  
Sun 22 Jan, 2012 11:09 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
Links pleases to such a claim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They've been posted before in this thread--you keep raising the same issues over and over, like a broken record--you just seem to ignore what doesn't fit in with the arguments you are trying to make.

I'm not interested in re-hashing this with you because you have memory problems or OCD.

Try reading the news once in a while--even from the past week--you might learn something, like the types of Federal sentences that people actually receive.
Quote:
Dedham Man Sentenced on Child Porn Conviction
Donald F. Slason was sentenced to 21 months in prison.
January 18, 2012

A Dedham man was sentenced Wednesday to 21 months in prison and five years of supervised release for possession of child pornography, according to a statement put out by the U.S. Attorney's Office.

At an earlier plea hearing, Donald F. Slason, 58, admitted to downloading and uploading images of child pornography from the Internet, and to possessing and viewing additional images of child pornography on computer media recovered from his home.

According to a 2011 statement from the U.S. Attorney's Office, Slason could have faced 10 years in prison.

Slaslon was indicted for possession in 2008, and was indicted last March.

The investigation that nabbed Slason was part of Operation Predator, a nationwide initiative to arrest people who travel overseas for sex with minors, Internet child pornographers, criminal alien sex offenders and child sex traffickers.
http://dedham.patch.com/articles/dedham-man-sentenced-on-child-porn-conviction

21 months is not 5 years, BillRM, and the man won't even serve 21 months if he behaves himself.

And, on the state level, people can wind up with only probation, even after a trial.
Quote:
B-N man's child porn sentence amended
January 19, 2012

BLOOMINGTON — A Bloomington man will not receive a new trial on child pornography charges but his sentence will be amended to reflect his conviction on a single count of possessing pornographic photos of a former high school student, according to an opinion issued Wednesday by the Fourth District Appellate Court.

Frank McSwain Jr. was convicted in January 2010 of possessing pornographic photos of a female student he met in 2007 when he worked at Normal Community High School as a student advocate counselor for Project Oz.

According to McLean County Assistant State’s Attorney Bill Workman, the ruling will have no impact on McSwain’s sentence of 30 months of probation but the $5,000 in fines will be reduced to $1,000 because the convictions on four counts will be dismissed, he said...

McSwain still faces sexual assault charges related to two alleged victims, including a girl who was 13 to 17 years old at the time of the alleged 2008 assault and a second alleged victim who came forward after charges were filed.
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/b-n-man-s-child-porn-sentence-amended/article_871ca6bc-4305-11e1-8518-0019bb2963f4.html

But, since you also argue against plea bargains, you're really the one who advocates imposing all those much, much harsher penalties because these people would likely lose at trial since all the government has to do is prove they possessed the child pornography or downloaded it. It's the plea bargains that work in getting the defendants much lighter sentences. And most child pornography cases are resolved in plea bargains.


BillRM
 
  1  
Sun 22 Jan, 2012 11:16 am
@firefly,
Quote:
They've been posted before in this thread--you keep raising the same issues over and over, like a broken record--you just seem to ignore what doesn't fit in with the arguments you are trying to make.


You have no problem lying do you?
BillRM
 
  1  
Sun 22 Jan, 2012 11:21 am
@firefly,
Quote:
But, since you also argue against plea bargains, you're really the one who advocates imposing all those much, much harsher penalties because these people would likely lose at trial since all the government has to do is prove they possessed the child pornography or downloaded it. It's the plea bargains that work in getting the defendants much lighter sentences. And most child pornography cases are resolved in plea bargains.


Most every case in the justice system end up with a plea bargain but that does not mean that the guide lines does not end up having most people charge with child porn serving years in prison for having pictures and or videos.

Oh take note that the judge in the one case I had posted plea with the prosecutor to plea bargain and the prosecutor would not do so!!!!!!!!!!!

Sentences that are not seen in the rest of the Western world and is so damn harsh that judges are having a hard time imposing them.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Sun 22 Jan, 2012 11:22 am
@BillRM,
Given how the lawbook runs I think it is safe to say the the smart child porn user makes his own poor, given that the penalty for hurting kids is the same as for not, and given the transfering a file is likey to get one caught.

Btw: those who are sexually abused as kids often get off on fantasys of incest and child-adult sex, that is a big reason why daddy-little girl roleplaying is so big. It is however difficult to find a woman who is interested in playing mommy.
firefly
 
  1  
Sun 22 Jan, 2012 11:23 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
You have no problem lying do you?

I'm not lying--you have raised this same issue about the Federal minimum sentences over and over in this thread. In fact, when you raised it earlier in this thread, you ignorantly insisted the minimum sentence was 4 years, until Tico corrected you and told you it was 5 years.

You have no evidence that I'm lying. You just have an extremely lousy memory for even the issues you yourself have already raised in this thread and the articles you've already posted. And, anything that disputes what you are saying, you just ignore.

You are like a broken record--you perseverate endlessly.
firefly
 
  1  
Sun 22 Jan, 2012 11:28 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
Sentences that are not seen in the rest of the Western world and is so damn harsh that judges are having a hard time imposing them.

Like the 21 month federal sentence, handed down this week, that I just posted? Laughing

Wow, that's the sort of sentence "not seen in the rest of the Western world"? Laughing

Keep ignoring all those cases that don't support your argument, that really helps to give you credibilty. Laughing
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BillRM
 
  1  
Sun 22 Jan, 2012 11:33 am
@firefly,
Quote:
You have no evidence that I'm lying
.

I had read every damn posting in this thread and most of the others threads that might relate and unless it is invisible there is no such links or information that had been posted!!!!!!!!

Sorry dear there is no reason to assume y0u had turn over a new leaf and are telling the truth!!!!!!!!!
firefly
 
  1  
Sun 22 Jan, 2012 11:34 am
@BillRM,
Maybe taking Aricept might help your memory problems.
BillRM
 
  1  
Sun 22 Jan, 2012 11:36 am
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye in some cases the crime of rape will get you less time under state laws then the crime of having pictures of that rape in Federal courts.

Federal judges are up in arms about this and yet Firefly claims there is not problem of any kind,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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BillRM
 
  1  
Sun 22 Jan, 2012 11:37 am
@firefly,
Quote:
Maybe taking Aricept might help your memory problems


Too bad there is no drug to turn you into an honest person.
firefly
 
  1  
Sun 22 Jan, 2012 11:42 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
and yet Firefly claims there is not problem of any kind,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Where did I say there is no problem of any kind?

Who's lying now? Look in the mirror...

The issue is that people are actually being sentenced to far lower terms than the Federal minimum guideines ostensibly impose. And that's the issue you choose to overlook.

Meanwhile, these people have chosen to ignore the laws regarding possession of child pornography...like the man whose arrest inspired this thread.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Sun 22 Jan, 2012 12:13 pm

In effect, this law is an effort at thought control.
The Founders woud have been aghast.

The concept that government was granted jurisdiction
to control art, or people 's thoughts is pure fiction,
based upon the near hysterical emotion that has been shown
in the quoted news stories, attributed to expressions
of criminal prosecutors. Its shocking. Citizens' thoughts
are supposed to be immune.

If government has jurisdiction to criminalize this,
then it can also criminalize the mere discussion
of not only of sex involving citizens of ANY age,
but of discussion of ANYTHING, with no limitation.
Maybe next after this is regulation of poetry???

The citizenry is simply too generous with allowing usurpations of power.
The jurisdictional predicate is found only in hysterical emotion.

Nothing can be so unAmerican as intrusion to control people's thoughts.





David
izzythepush
 
  1  
Sun 22 Jan, 2012 12:16 pm
@firefly,
What gets me is his pick and mix approach to the law. He highlights the eighteen year old distributor of child pornography getting a ten year sentence as some great travesty of (American) justice, and then shows a complete lack of understanding of UK law.

If there is anything, other than the death penalty, that our documentary makers wish to highlight about what we view as unjust about your legal system, it's not how you treat paedophiles. The main thing that gets picked up, is young men who have killed someone when underage, that are locked up in prison for the rest of their lives with no hope of parole.

His Quixotic choice of causes to champion says more about the sort of person he is, than about any real injustice in the penal system.
firefly
 
  1  
Sun 22 Jan, 2012 12:26 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
In effect, this law is an effort at thought control.
The Founders woud have been aghast.

People can think about anything they want, including pedophilic fantasies of sex with with children, that's quite different than possessing the actual material of child pornography.

Is thinking about having an arsenol of automatic weapons and hundreds of guns, or thinking about having a large stash of cocaine or heroin, the same as actually possessing those items?

No one's thoughts are being controlled.
firefly
 
  1  
Sun 22 Jan, 2012 12:26 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
His Quixotic choice of causes to champion says more about the sort of person he is, than about any real injustice in the penal system.

That's very true.
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