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Man's life Over, Cops Decide He Watched Child Porn in First Class

 
 
BillRM
 
  1  
Mon 28 Nov, 2011 07:54 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
over the rights of sick perverts to abuse them.


Fully cloths children in non-sexual settings should be illegal for some reason?

Sound like you and people like you are the ones trying to connect sex with children.

Ticomaya
 
  1  
Mon 28 Nov, 2011 07:59 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
<snip> ... were among the reasons for my arming myself with a Smith & Wesson .38 revolver when I was 8, ...

Do you not see the crazy of this, David?
BillRM
 
  1  
Mon 28 Nov, 2011 08:00 am
@farmerman,
Farmerman if I understand our friend UK legal system correctly the fact of his arrested let alone the details would not had been released until if and when the man was found guilty of some crime.

It would seems that izzthepush for once prefer the US legal system to his own.
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BillRM
 
  1  
Mon 28 Nov, 2011 08:03 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
A suit against the passenger and the airline itself .


Once more you can not sue a citizen who in good faith report a possible crime to the police,
Ticomaya
 
  2  
Mon 28 Nov, 2011 08:06 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Once more you can not sue a citizen who in good faith report a possible crime to the police,

Bullshit. To paraphrase a different cliche, you can sue a ham sandwich.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Mon 28 Nov, 2011 08:20 am
@Ticomaya,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
<snip> ... were among the reasons for my arming myself with a Smith & Wesson .38 revolver when I was 8, ...
Ticomaya wrote:
Do you not see the crazy of this, David?
In retrospect, I know that I did not need defensive armament until a few decades later
and 1000s of miles away. I did not know the future, in my childhood.
While I was alone, unarmed, I felt uneasy, not able to control
a predatory emergency, shoud one arise. After arming myself,
I felt a sense of tranquility & serenity. I woud not change that.
My nabors were armed better than I was. It was not outlandish.

Several years passed before I learned the facts of STOPPING POWER.
I knew not that I invested too much faith in a .38 revolver; I subsequently upgraded to a .44 special.





David
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shewolfnm
 
  1  
Mon 28 Nov, 2011 08:34 am
well..............this COULD have been a good subject to discuss...
BillRM
 
  1  
Mon 28 Nov, 2011 08:42 am
@Ticomaya,
Sorry but it is against public policy to allow such suits as it would had a chilling effect on the reporting of crimes to the police.

So unless you can give a showing that the crime report was given knowingly in bad faith such people are immune to civil lawsuits.

This is law school one oh one information.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Mon 28 Nov, 2011 08:47 am
@farmerman,
DAVID wrote:
I 'm not sure how photography figures into it.
farmerman wrote:
. . . I wouldnt trouble your mind about the technology but instead, worry about the results that are wrought.
OK. What are those results?

I recall in the 1940s, a fellow (business partner) showed my family and me some results from his new camera.
His wife had bathed their 2 girls (around maybe 3 and 5 years old) who straddled him
(above the blankets) as he was in bed. His wife took the picture.
The girls were nude and smiling down on their dad.
I guess that was similar in nature to your pictures.
Anyway, nothing came of it; forgotten in time.

On other hand,
if thay had been forced to pose in perverted postures, simulating sex
for the picture, then for sure, that woud be objectionable
from the victims perspective.
farmerman
 
  1  
Mon 28 Nov, 2011 09:01 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
if thay had been forced to pose in perverted postures, simulating sex
for the picture, then for sure, that woud be objectionable
from the victims perspective
Thats sorta been my point all along . Maybe youve missed it.

ANYWAY, the camera can take porno shots (reffered to by the USSC) as well as "baby shots" of our own kids (See my post above)
My argument is with this zero tolerance **** and what or what is not porno.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Mon 28 Nov, 2011 09:43 am
@farmerman,
DAVID wrote:
if thay had been forced to pose in perverted postures, simulating sex
for the picture, then for sure, that woud be objectionable
from the victims perspective
farmerman wrote:
Thats sorta been my point all along. Maybe youve missed it.
I DID miss it.
Until now, I did not get your point.


farmerman wrote:
ANYWAY, the camera can take porno shots (reffered to by the USSC) as well as "baby shots" of our own kids (See my post above)
My argument is with this zero tolerance **** and what or what is not porno.
Yeah; I remember a clothing company being accused
of child porn for having teenagers posed some way,
while fully dressed from neck to foot, wearing the product jeans.
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OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Mon 28 Nov, 2011 09:46 am
@shewolfnm,
shewolfnm wrote:
well..............this COULD have been a good subject to discuss...
Sorry; I just meant to answer the question
that was addressed to me. I have nothing further to add about guns.





David
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Mon 28 Nov, 2011 09:49 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Sound like you and people like you are the ones trying to connect sex with children.


There's nothing in my video collection that causes me any concern at all. You're the one who goes on about sex role models, and never misses an opportunity to defend the perpetrator of sexual attacks. You mention child nudity in films most of us have never heard of, then use the word 'lord,' to show how aroused such films make you.

Btw, I approve of our sub-judice laws, but that's for all crimes, you only seem to be concerned about sexual offenders. Why the inconsistency?
izzythepush
 
  1  
Mon 28 Nov, 2011 09:51 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

I say, shoot the son-of-a-bitch.


Or at the very least castrate him. There's too much politically correct bollocks about understanding these sick fucks. There's nothing to understand, castrate the lot of them.
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Ticomaya
 
  1  
Mon 28 Nov, 2011 09:52 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
This is law school one oh one information.

Are you a lawyer, Bill? If you are, I am unaware.

Unless you've been to law school, you should refrain from trying to give "law school one oh one information."

You said "... you can not sue a citizen who in good faith report a possible crime to the police, ..." That's simply incorrect. Putting aside the public policy, "chilling effect", and immunity arguments, anyone can sue anyone else at any time. Whether the suit has merit or will be dismissed is a different question.
BillRM
 
  1  
Mon 28 Nov, 2011 10:09 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
You're the one who goes on about sex role models, and never misses an opportunity to defend the perpetrator of sexual attacks.


If you mean real attacks you are a lying fool if you mean a woman having regrets to consensus sex and trying to charge rape due to her own voluntary drinking you are damn right as I hold women to the same standards as men are held to.

As far as having a problem or concern over a commercial VHS tape sold as a light comedy when they placed a shower scene with a young child in it you are damn right.

Of course you would never never buy a VHS tape of a light comedy and find such a scene in the middle of it.

As your heart is pure and god himself would warn you of it content before you purchase it.

OmSigDAVID
 
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Mon 28 Nov, 2011 10:16 am
@Ticomaya,
BillRM wrote:
This is law school one oh one information.
Ticomaya wrote:
Are you a lawyer, Bill? If you are, I am unaware.

Unless you've been to law school, you should refrain from trying to give "law school one oh one information."

You said "... you can not sue a citizen who in good faith report a possible crime to the police, ..." That's simply incorrect. Putting aside the public policy, "chilling effect", and immunity arguments, anyone can sue anyone else at any time. Whether the suit has merit or will be dismissed is a different question.
Yes.
When I was representing defendants in contractual or tortious litigation,
during jury selection, I used to tell them that "anyone can sue anyone
for anything, e.g., suing me for $2O,OOO,OOO because I have flaming red hair";
(I had conspicuously BLACK hair) and that the MERIT of a lawsuit
"is undetermined until trial"; (in the absence of a summary judgment motion).





David
BillRM
 
  1  
Mon 28 Nov, 2011 10:18 am
@Ticomaya,
Bullshit as it is common information that anyone with access to google can find.


http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/malicious+prosecution

Actions for malicious prosecution must compete against the public interest in allowing parties to pursue cases unfettered by the specter of a retaliatory case. Very few civil or criminal cases result in an action for malicious prosecution. This is because it is difficult to prove that the defendant procured or continued the original case without probable cause and with an improper purpose.

Another difficulty for the plaintiff in an action for malicious prosecution is immunity. Generally, the law protects witnesses, police officers, judges, prosecutors, and lawyers from suit for malicious prosecution. Witnesses are given immunity because justice requires that they testify without fear of reprisals. Law enforcement and judicial officers are given immunity because they must be free to perform their duties without continually defending against malicious prosecution cases.

There are exceptions, however. If a law enforcement or judicial official ventures outside the bounds of official duties to instigate or continue a malicious prosecution, the official may be vulnerable to a malicious prosecution suit. For example, a prosecutor who solicits fabricated testimony to present to a grand jury may be sued for malicious prosecution. The prosecutor would receive only limited immunity in this instance because the solicitation of evidence is an administrative function, not a prosecutorial function (Buckley v. Fitzsimmons, 509 U.S. 259, 113 S. Ct. 2606, 125 L. Ed. 2d 209 [1993]).

Private parties may also at times enjoy immunity from actions for malicious prosecution. For example, a person who complains to a disciplinary committee about an attorney may be immune. This general rule is followed by courts to avoid discouraging the reporting of complaints against attorneys.

Further readings
BillRM
 
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Mon 28 Nov, 2011 10:24 am
@OmSigDAVID,
David you must as a lawyer be aware that anyone in good faith reporting a crime to the police is cover by immunity from law.suits and any such would be dismiss


CalamityJane
 
  1  
Mon 28 Nov, 2011 10:31 am
Oh look it's the internet where even BillRM can be a lawyer.....
it gets crazier and crazier here!!
 

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