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Man's life Over, Cops Decide He Watched Child Porn in First Class

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 07:46 pm
@BillRM,
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Then you run into the argument Hawkeye that you are creating a market that reward the production of child porn as at least a small percents of child porn consumers do pay for such porn.


Because going after every single small time consumer of illegal drugs with the criminal system has worked out so well, right? Drunk
firefly
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 07:48 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
by locking up the prof on that plane as you are locking up the father and the bread winner of those children.

You are also locking up a pedophile.

And he shouldn't be near his own children unless supervised.

And he's the one who knowingly violated the law, knowing what the penalties might be. Did he consider who would support his children if he got caught?

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

Enjoy your pity party for pedophiles with your buddy Hawkeye.

BillRM
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 07:49 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Having a Video of Tracy's early work is a crime, and they are obviously not for sale.


Nor openly in the US however in France for example for some reason they are not illegal so you could likely buy them on a French site.

Then we had the off short sites that are selling and producing child porn that some people seems able to find.
BillRM
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 07:55 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Because going after every single small time consumer of illegal drugs with the criminal system has worked out so well, right?


I never said it would work just that will be an argument and in fact my feelings is that by making it so highly illegal you are increasing the market not reducing it.

People being people there will be an interest generated in anything that the society state is illegal.

Hell the ban on alcohol in the 30s saw a large increase in drinking not a decrease in drinking.
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hawkeye10
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 07:56 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Nor openly in the US however in France for example for some reason they are not illegal so you could likely buy them on a French site.
They are not going to sell it to an American by mail or internet. Up until a few years ago I used to know people who would go to Amsterdam to buy contraband porn and bring it back with them on the plane, but it is more difficult now I hear. My friends are interested in BDSM porn, which is highly restricted in America, but I assume child porn from Eastern Europe and Russia is available there as well.
BillRM
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 08:04 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
They are not going to sell it to an American by mail or internet


There are always ways for example US citizens are block from visiting UK gambling sites and more of a concern to me the doctor who site yet all you need to do is boot up tor software and add the following line to the torrc file exitnode= [gb] and a far as the sites are concern you are in the UK.

The same can be done for any country in the world that is on the internet.

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BillRM
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 08:38 pm
@hawkeye10,
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My friends are interested in BDSM porn, which is highly restricted in America, but I assume child porn from Eastern Europe and Russia is available there as well.


How and why is the BDSM your friends wish for being restricted in the US if you do not mine me asking as I was always been under the impression in the land of the free and the home of the brave only child porn is being block or being block at least to the best of the government abilities.

The internet in fact can not be block or filter as it is design to allow many paths to reach the same goals.

I still get my doctor who fixed thanks to the UK taxpayers.



BillRM
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 08:48 pm
@hawkeye10,
Footnote even the streaming of online US radio stations are block in Mexico of all things however I just once more use tor in order to hear them when I am on vacation in Mexico.

God I love that software and the networks of people who maintain nodes and relays servers around the planet.
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DrewDad
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 09:20 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

This thread is about to deteriorate into another episode of the Hawkeye and BillRM show,

That's all this thread has ever been.
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hawkeye10
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 09:25 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:

How and why is the BDSM your friends wish for being restricted in the US


Because the state aggressively harasses those who make porn that the state does not like

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What is the effect of the aggressive prosecution?

The department was very effective in toning down the kind of material you saw because they were indicting the big shots. Everybody else in the industry said, "If they can get to the boss, they can get to us." And we were prosecuting not the worst kind of pornography. When we found the torture and the bestiality and the sadomasochistic and excretory materials, that was indicted, too. But we also were indicting the main type of product, their regular hardcore heterosexual material. ... That put a damper on the industry's willingness to distribute -- at least openly -- the more extreme stuff.

I think the biggest message that was sent is, "This is a crime, and we can get to you. The federal grand juries will indict you, and the FBI and postal inspectors will do the investigations. They will do searches with judges' authorizations, take your records and make you pay your taxes, and they'll make you go to jail. So that put the fear of the law back into the industry until maybe 1994-1995, when the prosecutions pretty much stopped. ...



Read more: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn/interviews/taylor.html#ixzz1gfBAqWtD


You have heard me talk at length about how the feminists want to divorce sex from power, and so any depictions of sex where the man uses physical power over a women, consented to or not by the woman, is considered to be an affront to feminists doctrine. Because of the partnership between the feminists and the state they have been able move against those who produce this stuff. The BDSM aggression that you will see in American BDSM porn is tame, and the least tame of it will be lesbian porn because a woman can get away with using more power on a woman than a man can.

Of great debate today is the modern "face *******" porn where a man either holds a woman's head or pins her and rams is instrument into her mouth. This act is highly offensive to most feminists, no matter the degree of consent by the woman. This is currently the most power that men are allowed to use in porn, and it is far too much for most feminists, and so they are trying to figure out a way to criminalize it. Presumably they will go the UK route and call this violence against women and criminalize it on that grounds. We will see that the feminists believe that sexual assault revolves around the lack of consent, up to the point where that theory does not successfully criminalize that which they do not like. Then we shall hear the next theory trotted out as they travel their road to utopia.
hawkeye10
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 09:30 pm
@hawkeye10,
Interesting to me is that Tracy Lord child porn is widely available on the web on a free basis. Amazon was trying to sell it but quickly pulled the product when it generated complaints. I still remember back to when all across America XXX video stores pull much of the product that she was in from shelves, upon pressure from the state.
BillRM
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 09:59 pm
@hawkeye10,
Did you guys try p2p networks?

My p2p server only came up with 40 or so BDSM videos hits and none looks like they had face ******* in them.

Maybe the BDSM crowd are all out partying tonight but for you down in the dungeon instead of having their computers on line sharing files. Laughing
Ticomaya
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 11:23 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
Because you reject out of hand any argument that choosing any tool other than the hammer to use on people who are sexually interested in kids could be good policy.

I think using a sickle is also appropriate.
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BillRM
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 11:52 pm
@firefly,
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You are also locking up a pedophile.


Sorry but we do not lock up people because we can label them with a name like pedophile and therefore turn them into something less then human but we are at least suppose to punish people just for their misdeeds.

In fact he could had announced at the top of his voice that he is a pedophile on that plane and we would had have no right to lock him up.

He could had been reading the worst of the worst stories on that plane about sex between adults and children and the passenger could had taken a cell phone picture of him reading the text and he would not had been arrested.

Quote:
And he shouldn't be near his own children unless supervised.


There is zero proof that he is or will be a direct danger to any child repeat any child less alone his own.

That is your problem Firefly without any proof that someone would go beyond looking at pictures you justify harsh and barbaric treatment under the unproven assumption that he is or will be a child molester.

That is the base of your justification for such harsh punishments as you are not sitting the punishment to match the misdeed but to match what he and other people who look at such pictures might do in the future.

An it does not matter by your thinking as he is a pedophile after all so let lock him up for years using the excuse that he had look at some pictures.

However he is also a father and a highly train engineering professor going through the stress of a divorce and acting in a highly irrational manner by so openly looking at such highly illegal pictures and even allowing a passenger behind him to take pictures of him doing so.

Given the situation I am not even sure he is a pedophile but just a man having a break down where the pictures are a part of it.

In any case he should be punish for that crime and not for maybe at some future date becoming a child molester.







hawkeye10
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2011 12:05 am
@BillRM,
Do we lock up those who have murderous thoughts as a prophylactic against murder? No, they have not done us wrong and thus given us the right to pursue them until and unless they do someone harm.

We should not have a separate barbaric law for sex crimes as we do now, sex law should be made to conform to the standards of justice that this society holds, as well as made to conform with the Constitution.
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BillRM
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2011 12:22 am
You know people I am highly and I mean highly sexually attracted to good looking women and I look at them often with desire and lust in my heart and I had been known to flirt with them from time to time.

As I had already stated I had a porn collection that from time to time I enjoy looking at also.

However I had not cheated on my wife and in fact I had not cheated on her before she was my wife and it been a long long long time since I had have sexual congress with another woman.

Now the fireflies of the world are claiming that if someone had a sexual interest in children and we detected that interest because he had child porn that mean that he is a child molester or about to become one and therefore the harsh punishments for having that kind of porn is justify.

Sorry humans every day of the year had desires they do not act on and once more we should punish people for their misdeeds not what those misdeed might say about their desires.
hawkeye10
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2011 12:32 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
Now the fireflies of the world are claiming that if someone had a sexual interest in children and we detected that interest because he had child porn that mean that he is a child molester or about to become one and therefore the harsh punishments for having that kind of porn is justify.


No, her argument is that they are likely and potential child abusers and as such the demands of SAFETY! override our duty to protect the human rights of the accused. Your human rights only extend until the state decides that it fears you. Or it decides that it does not like you.....Whatever the excuse of the day is to rub out what the law says is yours but which is not because we refuse to follow the Constitution.
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izzythepush
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2011 02:16 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Did you guys try p2p networks?

My p2p server only came up with 40 or so BDSM videos hits and none looks like they had face ******* in them.

Maybe the BDSM crowd are all out partying tonight but for you down in the dungeon instead of having their computers on line sharing files. Laughing


And now we get to the truth of the matter, the two paedophiles swap techniques on how to best get hold of the most disgusting **** on line. Neither of you are interested in anything other than abusing women and children. At least you're not pretending any more.
FOUND SOUL
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2011 02:20 am
@izzythepush,
And themselves, and in winding people up, they're talking to themselves, first sign of madness.

But we knew that.
izzythepush
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2011 02:23 am
@FOUND SOUL,
Well if they're talking to themselves, at least they're not down the park trying to entice children away from their parents with kittens.
 

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