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Man's life Over, Cops Decide He Watched Child Porn in First Class

 
 
BillRM
 
  1  
Thu 15 Dec, 2011 01:23 pm
@DrewDad,
Quote:
You seem to be under the impression that BillRM is interested in debate. That he is interested in presenting facts to support his position.

He is not.


So the fact of the current federal sentencing guide lines and the disagreement in the different circuit courts and their comments and rulings over following those guide lines is not good enough for you?

The links to sentencing judges statements concerning those guide lines and even a link to a poll of all federal judges concerning their opinion on the matter is not good enough for you?

Yes I am still waiting for Firefly to admitted that the sentencing guide lines are what they happen to be so we can move on.

Likely that the sentencing guidelines will be change in the future as most judges had told the commission that they should be but until that happy time most people in the federal system is going to be sentence under them.
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BillRM
 
  1  
Thu 15 Dec, 2011 01:28 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
No she doesn't.


Not she doesn't what?

Admitted that the guide lines are the guide lines?

I guess she is trying to claimed that the guide lines does not matter as judges had gone below them however she had as yet to admitted that they exist so it get confusing.

More then willing to deal with any claims that the guide lines does not
matter but it would be nice if she would admitted that they exist before I do so.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Thu 15 Dec, 2011 02:05 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
it would be nice if she would admitted that they exist before I do so.

No it wouldn't.
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BillRM
 
  1  
Thu 15 Dec, 2011 02:14 pm
Here is an interesting and detail history of the child porn sentencing guide lines and how Congress kept increasing the punishment levels over the years.

I do not know how Firefly can claims that those guide lines do not matter and are not follow more often then not by the courts.




http://www.ussc.gov/Research/Research_Projects/Sex_Offenses/20091030_History_Child_Pornography_Guidelines.pdf

2003 Guideline Changes
In 2003, pursuant to the Prosecutorial Remedies and Other Tools to end the Exploitation
of Children Today Act (“PROTECT Act”), the Commission again revised the guidelines covering child pornography offenses.181 The PROTECT Act made several changes with respect to the child pornography guidelines and contained provisions by which Congress, for the first and only time to date, directly amended the guidelines.182 The PROTECT Act also provided
general directives, created a five-year mandatory minimum for trafficking and receipt,183 raised the statutory maximum for trafficking and receipt from 15 to 20 years and for possession from five to ten years,184 and amended the prefatory language of 28 U.S.C. § 994(a)(1), which
enumerates the duties of the Commission, to require that guidelines be “consistent with all pertinent provisions of any Federal statute.”185
179 USSG

izzythepush
 
  1  
Thu 15 Dec, 2011 02:24 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Here is an interesting and detail history of the child porn sentencing guide


No it's not.
BillRM
 
  1  
Thu 15 Dec, 2011 02:29 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
No it's not.


LOL Mad dogs and Englishmen indeed........
izzythepush
 
  1  
Thu 15 Dec, 2011 02:31 pm
@BillRM,
Indeed no.
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FOUND SOUL
 
  1  
Thu 15 Dec, 2011 02:52 pm
@BillRM,
I fail to see what the concern is, whether the minimum is 5 years or a Judge chucks the book at someone and gives them 10.

You are both all worked up over jail time, obviously the minimum is scaring the crap I mean carp out of you, if ever caught or why write pages and pages of quotes on laws and call them un-fair.

As for your reply to me regarding 17 year olds? The law says you are an Adult at 18 and respectfully, alot, of "children" at 17 are still very nieve, told they are beautiful, "want to be a Model? Everyone starts here, nude shots are beautiful, I can make you famous".

I still say a child is a child and as they are not an Adult, they can't make Adult decisions about having photographs taken of themselves naked.

Vulnerable
Nieve
Or just a baby

I don't care what age that child is, it's a child.



DrewDad
 
  1  
Thu 15 Dec, 2011 03:07 pm
@izzythepush,
No, he's just interested in seeing how long he can keep people's attention.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Thu 15 Dec, 2011 03:15 pm
@DrewDad,
That's probably why he keeps divulging more distubing aspects of his life. Next he'll be telling us how he was 'mistakenly' accused of gang rape.
FOUND SOUL
 
  1  
Thu 15 Dec, 2011 03:16 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
Naive

Grrr it's early
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hawkeye10
 
  1  
Thu 15 Dec, 2011 03:51 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
the minimum sentence is suppose to be five years for this crime under current federal guide lines.


"supposed" is a bad choice of word here, because a sentence of less than 5 years is illegal. Increasingly judges are removed from deciding sentence, as the state decided that too many judges were not hitting hard enough on the citizens for its liking, and so super harsh sentences are written into law with no options. We also see the same idea when the law lists a very long list of all of the factors that can not be taken into consideration while passing sentence, these of course being factors that would sway reasonable rational people towards a more lenient sentence.

"WE MUST HIT HARDER!" is now written into law with vigor.
firefly
 
  1  
Thu 15 Dec, 2011 04:16 pm
@izzythepush,
BillRM is in broken record mode again. Rolling Eyes

His fixation on me is downright sick.

Like JGoldman10, he'll keep repeating himself over and over. The similarity between the two is becoming quite striking.

I already answered the questions he keeps asking, but he doesn't even realize that.

BillRM lives in Florida. Perhaps today's news made him a little nervous.
Quote:
48 arrested in Florida child-sex investigation
By KEITH MORELLI
The Tampa Tribune
December 15, 2011

TAMPA -- A statewide law enforcement effort targeting pedophiles netted 48 suspects over the past six months, and authorities said the merger of two state agencies will only mean more arrests in the future.

The announcement of the arrests heralding the end of Operation Amalgamate was made Thursday morning at the Florida Department of Law Enforcement headquarters in Tampa. Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi took part.

"Sexual predators are everywhere," she said.

Among those charged: a Transportation Security Administration worker, a church treasurer and a teacher's aide. They came from as far away as Colorado and as close as Tampa.

"It's a sad reality of the society we are living in in this country," Bondi said. "In

Florida, all we can do is lock them up, for life, if possible."

The arrests include those who downloaded computer images of child pornography to those arranging meetings with children for sex.

Bondi said the operation was the first one undertaken after the Attorney General's Office's Child Predator Cyber Crime Unit merged with the FDLE's Computer Crime Center. There are some 25 investigators fanned out across the state. They monitor chat rooms and social media sites and investigate complaints of inappropriate cyber conversations between children and others.

"I'm pleased that this unit is ridding our streets of these predators," she said.

FDLE Commissioner Gerald Bailey said the operation opened 100 cases, which resulted in the 48 arrests. All of the defendants were arrested independently of each other, and no child pornography rings were broken up, he said.

Citrus County Sheriff Jeff Dawsy, also a director with the Florida Sheriff's Association, said that since 2010 more than 250 suspects have been arrested on child-sex charges, and that's due to a number of reasons. Law enforcement is more knowledgeable in computer crimes, and parents and children are more aware of the dangers that can lurk on the Internet.

"This is the 800-pound gorilla that is coming after our little girls and boys," he said.

While law enforcement can do its part, it's the education for children and parents that is key, he said.

Schools are offering courses in how to detect danger online, he said, and parents are monitoring more and more what their children are looking at on computers and cellphones.

Special Agent Supervisor Mike Phillips of FDLE's Computer Crime Center said that education is paying off.

"Kids are now telling predators online that they are not interested," he said, and even alerting parents and law enforcement in some cases.
http://www2.tbo.com/news/breaking-news/2011/dec/15/1/48-arrested-in-florida-child-sex-investigation-ar-335132/


BillRM should take a look at the kinds of pedophiles these laws are helping to get off the streets.
firefly
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 04:21 pm
@hawkeye10,
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I. Background of Law and Computer Technology

The "exploitive use of children in the production of pornography has become a serious national problem." New York v. Ferber, 458 U.S. 747, 749 (1982). In Ferber, the Supreme Court held that child pornography is distinguishable from other sexually explicit speech. Child pornography is not protected by the First Amendment because the State has a "compelling" interest in safeguarding the well-being of minors. Id. at 756-57. "The prevention of sexual exploitation and abuse of children constitutes a government objective of surpassing importance." Id. at 757; see also Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition, 535 U.S. 234, 239 (2002). Therefore, while pornography may warrant First Amendment protection and can be banned only if it is found to be obscene, see Miller v. California, 413 U.S. 15 (1973), pornography that depicts minors can be proscribed whether or not the images are obscene. Ashcroft, 535 U.S. at 240. Moreover, the Court has held that the State's interest in protecting children from exploitation also justifies criminalizing the possession of pornography that is produced using children. Osborne v. Ohio, 495 U.S. 103, 110-11 (1990); see also Ashcroft, 535 U.S. at 250 (affirming Osborne while striking down a statutory provision that outlawed possession of virtual child pornography because real children were not exploited in its production). "The freedom of speech has its limits; it does not embrace certain categories of speech, including defamation, incitement, obscenity, and pornography produced with real children." Ashcroft, 535 U.S. at 246.
http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?xmldoc=In%20FCO%2020111214129.xml&docbase=CSLWAR3-2007-CURR
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hawkeye10
 
  0  
Thu 15 Dec, 2011 04:23 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
BillRM should take a look at the kinds of pedophiles these laws are helping to get off the streets


I can't help but wonder what kind of wrong thinkers will be next to get the "treatment". It shan't be long before the state comes after me for my heresy.
hawkeye10
 
  0  
Thu 15 Dec, 2011 04:32 pm
@hawkeye10,
It will shock Americans to learn that in Europe guys who are sexually attracted to kids sometimes call the state for help, they are put into the mental health system and so long as they dont touch kids the law leaves them alone. Americans are far from being able to exercise such good sense.
firefly
 
  1  
Thu 15 Dec, 2011 04:40 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
It will shock Americans to learn that in Europe guys who are sexually attracted to kids sometimes call the state for help

Nothing stops pedophiles in this country from seeking help for themselves before they have acted in an inappropriate manner toward children. And they can seek such help through municipally operated mental health facilities.

The problem is that mental health interventions often fail.

We have the facilities available for treatment here and nothing stops people from availing themselves of treatment.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Thu 15 Dec, 2011 04:45 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
The problem is that mental health interventions often fail.


What is failing....that they still are attracted to kids or that they touch a kid, or that they look at child porn? In Europe what they call failure is touching a kid.

What stops Americans from calling the state is that the state is untrustworthy, the state will lower the hammer on any provocation. Europeans on the other hand understand that the hammer is not always the right tool for the job.
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BillRM
 
  1  
Thu 15 Dec, 2011 05:06 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
Quote:
As for your reply to me regarding 17 year olds? The law says you are an Adult at 18 and respectfully, alot, of "children" at 17 are still very nieve, told they are beautiful, "want to be a Model? Everyone starts here, nude shots are beautiful, I can make you famous".

I still say a child is a child and as they are not an Adult, they can't make Adult decisions about having photographs taken of themselves naked.


They can have sex and they can get married in many states but they can not decide to have a picture taken is that what you are saying?

A decision to have a picture is more important then a decision to have sex and maybe produce a baby?
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BillRM
 
  1  
Thu 15 Dec, 2011 05:16 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
BillRM should take a look at the kinds of pedophiles these laws are helping to get off the streets.


You do know that there is not a one to one and not likely a one to ten ratio of people who look at pictures and then directly go on to harm children correct Firefly?

That we are fulling up prisons at great cost with many people who had been very useful citizens and taxpayers for looking at pictures such as the engineer prof and of course we had firemen, policemen, doctors, lawyers, a FBI computer IT man and so on.

It just might be better if we tend to treat such people if at all possible instead of locking them up for five years or so.

 

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