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Man's life Over, Cops Decide He Watched Child Porn in First Class

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2011 11:01 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Trying to be a thread nazi because you're getting your pathetic ass whipped here? Don't give me that man up bullshit--you're not a man, you're a whining little boy, and are in no position to judge who is a man and who isn't. Your pathological delusions are very much a pertinent subject of discussion in this thread because of how you've attempted to distort the news story, and the subject of paedophilia laws.


I'll take that as a no, that you do not have anything to add to this thread. Figures.
FOUND SOUL
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 12:00 am
@hawkeye10,
I think Hawkeye is very appropriate you seem to be watching your thread in glory you know? And, just come on to gain more posts, because off course they will reply to comments like that, no I'm not lurking, I'm reading lots to read really, like lots...
hawkeye10
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 12:51 am
@FOUND SOUL,
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I think Hawkeye is very appropriate you seem to be watching your thread in glory you know?
I dont care about how this thread does in popularity, I care about winning hearts and minds for a more sensible and healthy attitude towards erotic impulses. We used to understand that humans are not responsible for what we feel, only for what we do, but we have lost that. We also are now a uncivilized people, we care more about hammering people we dont like then we do about obtaining good outcomes....it was not always thus, we used to be better than this.


Scary as hell to you I know, but I am a true believer...I am not here for attention, I am here to win the argument .....unless I am wrong, which has not been proven as of yet.
hawkeye10
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 01:13 am
@hawkeye10,
Set, Firefly and Robert appear to all have recently figured out that I am serious, that I am not an attention junky....what can I say, some people are slow on the uptake. They would have figured this out years earlier if they had taken me seriously when I said just this. I have said from the get go that I am a radical and a former revolutionary, it should come as a surprise to no one that I have some far out ideas.
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firefly
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 01:31 am
@hawkeye10,
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Set, Firefly and Robert appear to all have recently figured out that I am serious, that I am not an attention junky....

But you are an attention junky...that's why you check the view count of this thread..and you'll think your thread is great simply if goes beyond a certain number of pages, even if most of the posts are insults directed at you.
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Not being a believer in Vodoo I dont believe that any harm was done to a child by looking at a pic of a child

You seem to be relatively alone in that view.

It is generally acknowledged, by most people in the world, that the children in child porn images are victimized by the actions of those who view their images, and possession of child pornography is not regarded as a victimless crime.
Note what this man is charged with--sexually exploiting children.
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Police arrest Orem man on child pornography charges
By Donald W. Meyers
The Salt Lake Tribune
Dec 14, 2011

A 27-year-old Orem is facing almost 80 counts of sexually exploiting children after dozens of child pornography images were found on his computer.

In court papers, Orem police said they received a tip that the man had child pornography on his computers. When confronted by police in his motel room Tuesday, the man said he had a problem with child pornography, and that he had pictures on his computers.

Police said the man gave detectives permission to look on his computer, and they found 59 still pictures and two videos of nude children, ranging in ages from 4 to 14. The images showed the children engaged in sex acts and being molested by adult men.

The man told police he received the images and saved them on his computer. Police say he told them that he had hundreds of images on his two computers.

The man is charged with 79 second-degree felony counts of sexually exploiting children, and potentially faces one-to-15-years in prison on each county. He is being held at the Utah County Jail on $25,000 bail.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53117698-78/police-child-images-pornography.html.csp


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We used to understand that humans are not responsible for what we feel, only for what we do

And what you don't seem to realize, or admit, is that someone, like this man, is arrested for what he has done--downloaded and possessed illegal child pornography images--and not for his feelings. And what you also don't admit, is that the consumer of such images is part of the chain of events that began with the initial abuse of the child to create the images--without the demand, the production of child porn would not exist--and the consumer is what keeps the child porn industry thriving. And, obviously, you do not admit that the viewing and possession of the images continues the exploitation of the child--which is precisely what this man is charged with. He was not arrested for his feelings, he was arrested for his actions--actions which sexually exploit children.
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I care about winning hearts and minds for a more sensible and healthy attitude towards erotic impulses

When we talk about "erotic impulses" toward children--pedophilia--we are referring to adult sexual impulses which abuse and harm innocent children, the sort of deviant impulses no civilized society is going to tolerate. I think our attitude is quite "sensible and healthy"--we want to protect the children, we want to stop the sexual abuse and exploitation of children. We want to stop the acts of pedophiles, including the possession and viewing of sexualized images of children, images that continue the abuse and exploitation of these children, images that continue to violate the privacy of these children.

You are the one lacking a "sensible and healthy" attitude toward this issue.

hawkeye10
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 01:38 am
@firefly,
Quote:
Note what this man is charged with--sexually exploiting children


Wow, I have repeatedly talked about how the state abuses the citizen and how our laws are poorly formed and yet it according to you it is supposed to impress me that the state has stung up a guy for exploitation for the act of looking at pics?? Drunk

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You seem to be relatively alone in that view.
****, like that is anything new. I only care about being right, about building a majority around what I believe is the proper understanding of the truth....current scorn is nothing but a obstacle, it is evidence that we are not there yet. It is also a motivator to try harder.

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When we talk about "erotic impulses" toward children--pedophilia--we are referring to adult sexual impulses which abuse and harm innocent children, the sort of deviant impulses no civilized society is going to tolerate


The state has skipped the part about showing harm from looking at pics however, it is counting on hate of those who are sexually interested in kids to get over that little problem. A just society would only punish those who do harm, but we are no longer up to the standard.
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firefly
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 01:52 am
@hawkeye10,
I don't know what argument you think you are winning. If anything, the punishments, round the globe, are becoming increasingly harsher for child pornography offenses, including possession, because there is a consensus of agreement regarding the harm to children which comes from the consumer of child pornography.

You really are self-deluded. You're not "winning" anything--not in this thread, and not in real world.

And even "hammering people" is not effective. This man is now going to prison, apparently for life, because no interventions, including incarceration and treatment, have worked.
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Former New Orleans officer with several child pornography convictions will return to prison
December 14, 2011,
By Danny Monteverde, The Times-Picayune

A celebrated former commander of the New Orleans Police Department's pedophile unit, whose meteoric rise from patrolman to child abuse detective in the 1980s ended scandalously with multiple convictions for child pornography and molestation, will spend the rest of his life in federal custody after violating his supervised release, a federal judge decided last week.

Stanley Burkhardt, who quickly was promoted from his regular patrol to rape squad investigator to child abuse detective, pleaded guilty in 1998 to two counts of trafficking in child pornography, the third time the disgraced officer was found to have committed crimes against young people.

According to court records, Burkhardt had just wrapped up a nine-year sentence at the Federal Correctional Institution in Butner, N.C., when in 2007 he violated his supervised release by contacting another sex offender, accessing a website to view images of "young males" and setting up an unauthorized email address.

In a document known as a "certification of a sexually dangerous person," the interim chairman of the Federal Bureau of Prisons Certification Review Panel left no doubt that he believed Burkhardt was irredeemable.

"These results, in addition to his current offense conduct, failure in sex offender treatment, and failure on supervised released indicate he will have serious difficulty refraining from sexually violent conduct or child molestation if released," the certification reads.

Burkhardt's legal troubles burst into public view in 1987 when he was convicted of five counts of trafficking in child pornography. The case stemmed from a federal sting launched while he was commander of the NOPD's child abuse unit, which disbanded in 1984.

He served five years of a 10-year sentence after earning early release by completing a prison therapy program for pedophiles. Upon his 1992 release, he pleaded guilty in state court to molesting his 9-year-old niece a decade earlier. He avoided jail time when then-Criminal Court Judge Jerome Winsberg sentenced the shamed officer to time served in the federal case.

Despite public outrage about Burkhardt's release, the judge defended his actions, telling The Times-Picayune he granted the second chance since Burkhardt was on federal probation and "supposedly ... in the best therapy program in the country."

The intervention apparently did not work. Burkhardt again was arrested after another sting shortly after he completed his probation in early 1998.

Using the alias "Jack DiCaprio," Burkhardt began corresponding with an undercover Los Angeles Police Department detective who posed as a fellow pedophile.

Authorities arrested Burkhardt at his home in April 1998 when he accepted a pornographic videotape from an undercover postal inspector posing as a mailman. Officers who searched Burkhardt's St. Claude home found a 12-year-old boy inside the residence, along with magazines and videos showing children in sexually suggestive poses. No charges were lodged in regard to the boy.

Burkhardt pleaded guilty two months after his arrest to charges of accepting delivery of a videotape with child pornography and possessing child pornography at his home, prompting former U.S. Attorney Eddie Jordan to describe him as "depraved."

"I don't think he'll be in a position to hurt any more children for some time to come," Jordan said after Burkhardt received the nine-year sentence. Burkhardt had just completed that term when he got into trouble for the last time.
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2011/12/former_new_orleans_officer_wit.html


hawkeye10
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 01:58 am
@firefly,
Quote:
I don't know what argument you think you are winning. If anything, the punishments, round the globe, are becoming increasingly harsher for child pornography offenses, including possession, because there is a consensus of agreement regarding the harm to children which comes from the consumer of child pornography


Where did you see me say any words to the effect that the current tide was with those who hold my view? I am not concerned that it is not, what we are doing is cruel and it will not work, sanity will prevail.
firefly
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 02:04 am
It is fortunate that a church employee noticed that this priest was viewing child porn and called a child abuse hotline. The church appears to still be plagued with the problem of pedophile priests.
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Pittsburgh Priest Faces More Child Porn Charges
The Rev. Bartley Sorensen Accused Of Child Porn Possession
December 14, 2011

PITTSBURGH -- A Churchill Catholic priest is facing more charges of possessing child pornography after police said they recovered CDs containing thousands of additional illicit images.

The Rev. Bartley Sorensen, 62, was arraigned Tuesday after police said a search of his church office on Monday turned up additional images and videos. Investigators said they also found 5,000 pictures on three CDs taken from his office at the St. John Fisher Church during a search last week.

Police said a church employee called a child abuse hotline after allegedly seeing Sorensen viewing child porn images on Friday.

The Catholic Diocese of Pittsburgh suspended Sorensen and said it's cooperating with the investigation.

Sorensen is being held at the Allegheny County Jail.

Two national organizations are now seeking action from Bishop David Zubik.

The Chicago-based Survivors Network of Those Abused By Priests and the Dayton-based National Survivor Advocates Coalition are both demanding changes.

Both groups want Zubik to stop promoting the diocesan abuse hotline and instead visit churches where Sorensen worked and ask witnesses, whistle-blowers and victims to contact police instead of church officials.
http://www.wpxi.com/news/29991683/detail.html
hawkeye10
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 02:13 am
@firefly,
Quote:
It is fortunate that a church employee noticed that this priest was viewing child porn and called a child abuse hotline. The church appears to still be plagued with the problem of pedophile priests.


Where did you learn logic? Hearing of one alleged event does not mean that the actual event is a plague.
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FOUND SOUL
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 02:13 am
@hawkeye10,
What's cruel Hawkeye?

That no man, nor woman of a sane mind, accepts "men" or women for that matter, perving at photos of "children" who aren't Adults, aren't able to make up their own mind whether or not they "should" have their picture taken naked, that are innocent and nieve....

You do the crime you do the time.

There is no logic in your thinking, just because you like to swing, and get into BS does not give you the right to expand your sexuality into viewing "children".

Also for the record, being a "newby" I vividly recall reading your post, to Bill regarding "look how many people are viewing this thread, they are lurking not posting" so, you firstly are suggesting that not enough people are here to argue or agree, so you can win if you get enough to agree, to which I say PFTTTT and secondly, without a doubt logic says, you are excited at the attraction, attention.

Prob the same when you attempt to last more than 2 minutes with the woman next door and her husband whilst your wife looks on and say's my turn.

Look your thoughts are frankly discusting full stop.
hawkeye10
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 02:17 am
@FOUND SOUL,
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Also for the record, being a "newby" I vividly recall reading your post, to Bill regarding "look how many people are viewing this thread, they are lurking not posting" so, you firstly are suggesting that not enough people are here to argue or agree, so you can win if you get enough to agree, to which I say PFTTTT and secondly, without a doubt logic says, you are excited at the attraction, attention
In response to Firefly making the claim that no one cares about the thread subject I pointed to facts that prove that she is wrong, this however does not mean that my motivation for posting is attention. In this case I was motivated by the desire to show yet again that firefly is full of ****.

Seriously, if you want to hang with us here at A2K you need to do better.
izzythepush
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 02:22 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
In this case I was motivated by the desire to show yet again that firefly is full of ****.


And instead you showed you were full of ****. Just because you can empty your mind of all thoughts it doesn't follow you're a Zen, you've not got many thoughts in the first place Chicken Little.
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FOUND SOUL
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 02:23 am
@hawkeye10,
Physchology huh.

Hawkeye, do you always win?

You have to don't you.

I had a husband like you, he was never wrong, it was always someone else's fault, he had a good IQ, I wonder were you abused Question Rolling Eyes Cause you have to be right all the time and you don't care, for the "child" who has no choice when they have those photos taken as they know no better.

You're still sick.

What amazes me, is I can almost see you smiling at me as you type, no anger, reactions, just facts and calmness.

Yet, I am calling you sick...

Tells me how much "control" you have in your house-hold, nothing bothers you does it, as you rule...

Well from the look of it, not here...

FOUND SOUL
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 02:26 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Seriously, if you want to hang with us here at A2K you need to do better.


LMAO who made you God?

So what you want me to debate? Find articles that you can slash (no punt intended) down and "win?" or think you do?

What for, it's clear what "type" of person you are in all aspects, I don't have to play you with as well, sorry to dissapoint you.

But, that doesn't mean you will stop me either from making my "opinions" .

And, God? You sure you are not really Goldman? Is that your alter ego?

And, God.... Don't judge for other A2k members, on whether or not they think I should stay or go...

You're still a jerk.

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Dutchy
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 02:26 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 don't kid yourself, you've proven time and time again, you haven't got a moral brain in your head. Both firefly and found soul run rings around you without you even realising it! You're just a dumb hill-billy.
hawkeye10
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 02:27 am
@FOUND SOUL,
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Hawkeye, do you always win?

Being an educated smart guy I win more than I lose, but my interest is in the determination of where the truth lies, in the combat of ideas.

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You're still sick.
Which means that you dont like what I have have to say, which does not interest me. Show me that I am wrong however and you shall have my attention.
izzythepush
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 02:32 am
@Dutchy,
Dutchy wrote:

hawkeye10 don't kid yourself, you've proven time and time again, you haven't got a moral brain in your head. Both firefly and found soul run rings around you without you even realising it!


Exactly, arguing with Chicken Little is a bit like talking to a backward child, in the child's eye he always wins.
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hawkeye10
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 02:33 am
@Dutchy,
Dutchy wrote:

hawkeye10 don't kid yourself, you've proven time and time again, you haven't got a moral brain in your head. Both firefly and found soul run rings around you without you even realising it!


Which only means that your sympathies lie more with them than me, which I dont care about. If you cant prove me wrong then I might be right, right now what we have is a debate with no clear winner, which is fine.
firefly
 
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Thu 15 Dec, 2011 02:33 am
@hawkeye10,
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this however does not mean that my motivation for posting is attention.

You started this thread for attention, to give yourself another opportunity to get up on your soapbox and do your same old "innocent man being unjustly abused by the government" rant. Except the man turned out to be guilty--he did have child porn on his computer, according to all the law enforcement authorities involved in his case. The man knowingly violated child pornography laws and, in the process, he ruined his own career.
So, your prediction about this case flopped and you fell on your face and looked like a jerk.

And your subsequent contributions to this thread have amounted to nothing more than a pity party for pedophiles. There is no debate. There is nothing for you to win. You are nothing more than a bleeding heart for sexual abusers.

 

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