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Man's life Over, Cops Decide He Watched Child Porn in First Class

 
 
Ticomaya
 
  4  
Wed 30 Nov, 2011 10:15 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
You Pushy are going to have to up your game if you want me to take your insults seriously....IdiotBill was far better than you but still that was not good enough, he dont come around here no more after his whining did not work to get him his way and so he left in a huff.

Yes, unfortunately O'Bill is no longer a frequent visitor to this site, and yet you remain, like a virus.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Wed 30 Nov, 2011 10:40 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
Quote:
the US government makes all new law for sex crimes, law that is nether consistent with the rest of law nor with the Constitution.

Untrue, and that article you posted about the man destroying his hard drive disputes that statement. All of the decisions in that case were made on the basis of existing law--and existing law that had nothing to do with "sex law".

Again, you seem not to understand the material you post.

Meanwhile, I haven't heard you offer a single, well thought out legal strategy for addressing child pornography crimes, including the crime of possession.

Most people do not regard the possession of child pornography as innocuous activity. The images in child pornography are records of crimes commited against children.
Quote:
According to the Mayo Clinic of the U.S.A., studies and case reports indicate that 30% to 80% of individuals who viewed child pornography and 76% of individuals who were arrested for Internet child pornography had molested a child, however they note that it is difficult to know how many people progress from computerized child pornography to physical acts against children and how many would have progressed to physical acts without the computer being involved.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography


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By the mid-1980's, the trafficking of child pornography within the United States had been almost completely eradicated through a series of successful campaigns waged by law enforcement. Child pornographers had become lonely and hunted individuals. Producing child abuse images was both difficult and expensive, and reproducing images was equally difficult and expensive. Purchasing and trading such images was extremely risky. Anonymous distribution and receipt was not possible and it was difficult for pedophiles to find and interact with each other. Unfortunately, technology has changed the situation.

Producing child abuse images has now become easy and inexpensive. The Internet allows images and digitized movies to be reproduced and disseminated to tens of thousands of individuals at the click of a button. The distribution and receipt of such images can be done almost anonymously. As a result, child pornography is readily available through virtually every Internet technology (web sites, email, instant messaging/ICQ, Internet Relay Chat (IRC), newsgroups/bulletin boards, and peer-to-peer). The technological ease, lack of expense, and anonymity in obtaining and distributing child pornography has resulted in an explosion in the availability, accessibility, and volume of child pornography.

CEOS works with the 93 United States Attorney offices around the country and investigative agencies to vigorously combat this growing problem. By maintaining a coordinated, national-level law enforcement focus, including coordinating nationwide and international investigations and prosecutions, CEOS works to deter the production, distribution and possession of child pornography by aggressively investigating and prosecuting of these crimes. Additionally, CEOS works with law enforcement to identify victims used to produce child pornography with the goal of rescuing the victims and preventing continued abuse of these children.
http://www.justice.gov/criminal/ceos/childporn.html


The passenger on the plane who reported Smith to law enforcement should be commended for his efforts. He saw a crime in progress and he took action.

Smith is just another deviate.

And this thread was just another excuse for Hawkeye to do his usual anti-government rant, and bemoan the fate of those convicted of sex related offenses. Another of his pity parties for sex offenders.

Same old, same old.
I seem to be very naive, sheltered & isolated.
The only child porn that I have ever seen in my life
are the picture that I mentioned of our business partner
lying in his bed straddled by his 2 little girls after their mom
bathed them and took that picture and that Coppertone ad
of a dog pulling down the bathing suit of a girl.

It is not something to which I 've given much thawt,
except as to its odd if not unique position in American jurisprudence.
The only other legal effort (that occurs to me) of government to control emotions
of the citizens is the hate crime laws, of whose constitutional jurisdiction I remain very skeptical.





David
Linkat
 
  1  
Wed 30 Nov, 2011 12:18 pm
@firefly,
I saw the interview on TV last week with the man that witnessed this loser viewing the images on his computer. He could hear in his voice and see in his face how upset and disburbed this man became as he described his "seatmate" viewing increasing naked young girls and increasing in sexual acts.

This experience deeply disturbed and upset this man (as it should). If you saw the interview, it was obvious how bad it must have been. I almost thought the guy was going to cry.
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Linkat
 
  1  
Wed 30 Nov, 2011 12:19 pm
@hawkeye10,
Actually I saw the interview with the eyewitness - he did claim they were images of young girls having sexual acts with adults males.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Wed 30 Nov, 2011 12:30 pm
@Linkat,
Linkat wrote:

Actually I saw the interview with the eyewitness - he did claim they were images of young girls having sexual acts with adults males.


I have watched no interview, but this reporting is clear...he saw only nudes of girls no sex action, it was the police who told him that there was sex action on the computer

Quote:
"He kept scrolling through the pictures and they became sexual and explicit. Little by little they were semi-nude, then completely nude. Just terrible, terrible stuff," said Wade.
The 47 year-old professor from Cottonwood Heights, Utah, was arrested when his flight landed in Boston. Smith was in Boston for a conference.
Wade said as soon as he saw the images he notified a flight attendant. He also took a cell phone picture of Smith looking at his screen.
"Even as I was trying to explain it, I broke down I couldn't contain it. So disturbing what was going on," said Wade.
Wade wanted to make sure something would be done so he e-mailed his son in Phoenix and asked him to call police in Boston.
Police told Wade they found even more disturbing images on Smith's laptop.
"When I was in the interview room with forensic computer police down the hall, they confirmed for me there were other images of sexual activity with grown ups," Wade told FOX 25


Read more: http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/news/local/plane-passenger-who-turned-in-porn-viewing-professor-scarred-from-images-20111129#ixzz1fDNGTq5b
Linkat
 
  2  
Wed 30 Nov, 2011 12:45 pm
@hawkeye10,
Yep - one report - I suppose if there were 10,000 other reports that said otherwise - you would choose the one report that fits your viewpoint.

And the words directly out of this witnesses mouth was sexual acts.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Wed 30 Nov, 2011 12:48 pm
@Linkat,
Linkat wrote:

Yep - one report - I suppose if there were 10,000 other reports that said otherwise - you would choose the one report that fits your viewpoint.

And the words directly out of this witnesses mouth was sexual acts.
One report is good enough until it is disputed. Where is your evidence? Hearsay is all we have from you at this point.
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hawkeye10
 
  0  
Wed 30 Nov, 2011 02:12 pm
@Ticomaya,
Quote:
and yet you remain, like a virus.


Yes, there is a lot similar between a virus and those of us who give voice to heretical ideas. At some point you hopefully will wise up, man up, and attempt to put down my ideas with a better argument. Till someone does I am going to fester.
Rockhead
 
  1  
Wed 30 Nov, 2011 02:20 pm
uncle fester
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NLTwZxghKw
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Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Wed 30 Nov, 2011 03:12 pm
@BillRM,
You certainly neither have an idea of the English laws (here: section 1 of the Protection of Children Act 1978 [PCA 1978] and s.160 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 [CJA 1988]) [didn't look up the Scottish law] nor about the relevant rulings in English, Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish courts.
BillRM
 
  1  
Wed 30 Nov, 2011 03:56 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
You certainly neither have an idea of the English laws


No I had not read the UK laws however.........

I had read reports of the actions taken under UK sex laws from such sources as as the BBC and UK major newspapers and the punishment levels dealing with CP offenders.

I also follow a well respected podcast base in the UK dealing with computer forensic under the UK legal system.

I therefore know that child porn is divide into five levels and the lowest levels almost never get anything beyond a police warning.

No where is the insane punishments level of the US system occurring.



contrex
 
  1  
Wed 30 Nov, 2011 04:46 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
I therefore know that child porn is divide into five levels and the lowest levels almost never get anything beyond a police warning.


No; even level 1 gets a court case.

Fine or conditional discharge

A fine may be appropriate if:

the offender was merely in possession of material solely for own use, including where material was downloaded from the internet but not further distributed, and consisted entirely of pseudo-photographs, the making of which had involved no abuse or exploitation of children, or there was no more than a small quantity of material at level 1.

A conditional discharge may be appropriate in such a case if the offender pleaded and had no previous convictions.

Community sentence

A community sentence may be appropriate if the offender was in possession of a large amount of material at level 1 and/or a small number of images at level 2, provided the material was not distributed or shown to others.

Up to 6 months' custody Appropriate if:

Offender was in possession of a large amount of material at level 2 or a small amount at level 3 or above, or offender had shown, distributed, or exchanged indecent material at level 1 or 2 on a limited scale, without financial gain.

6–12 months custody Appropriate if:

Showing or distributing a large number of images at level 2 or 3, or
Possessing a small number of images at levels 4 or 5.


By the way,
Bill, what is your problem with past participles?

Ticomaya
 
  2  
Wed 30 Nov, 2011 05:05 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
At some point you hopefully will wise up, man up, and attempt to put down my ideas with a better argument.

What's wrong with derision, disdain, and scorn? More than that is more than you're worth.
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BillRM
 
  0  
Wed 30 Nov, 2011 05:12 pm
@contrex,
Thanks for the information and it seems that the UK had almost gone too far in the other direction.

However the US had gone completely insane and if you dare to stated that conclusion people like Firefly try to paint you as a pedophile.

Love her comment does you wife also had CP on her computer!!!!!

So far the only ones in power brave enough to stand up against this nonsense, in the US, are judges who are appointed for life.
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firefly
 
  1  
Wed 30 Nov, 2011 05:13 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Till someone does I am going to fester.

"Fester"--what an absolutely perfect word to describe yourself!

Verb: fester fes-tu(r)
1.Ripen and generate pus

Pus just about sums up the appeal, and lack of solid substance, of the ideas you express.
hawkeye10
 
  0  
Wed 30 Nov, 2011 05:38 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
verb (used without object)
1.
to form pus; generate purulent matter; suppurate.
2.
to cause ulceration, as a foreign body in the flesh.
3.
to putrefy or rot.
4.
to rankle, as a feeling of resentment


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fester

Quote:
ran·kle   [rang-kuhl] Show IPA verb, -kled, -kling.
verb (used without object)
1.
(of unpleasant feelings, experiences, etc.) to continue to cause keen irritation or bitter resentment within the mind; fester; be painful.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rankle


For the dim:

"Till someone does beat my arguments I am going to to continue to cause keen irritation and bitter resentment within the minds of A2K members, and continue to be a pain in the ass"
firefly
 
  3  
Wed 30 Nov, 2011 08:46 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
I am going to to continue to cause keen irritation and bitter resentment...

Quote:
FESTER: to putrefy or rot

More likely, you will continue to putrefy and rot. Your stench speaks for you. There's no argument about it--you sure can clear out a room.Which is why you are generally left talking to yourself, or to barely coherent BillRM.

For the dim:

Your ideas and attitudes stink. Just being able to exude bitter resentment, as you do, does not translate into meaningful thought or rational discourse or compelling ideas. Garbage in, garbage out.

hawkeye10
 
  0  
Wed 30 Nov, 2011 09:10 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
More likely, you will continue to putrefy and rot. Your stench speaks for you. There's no argument about it--you sure can clear out a room.Which is why you are generally left talking to yourself, or to barely coherent BillRM.

For the dim:

Your ideas and attitudes stink. Just being able to exude bitter resentment, as you do, does not translate into meaningful thought or rational discourse or compelling ideas. Garbage in, garbage out.


So I take it you need another day off from the subject matter to collect your thoughts.....you know where to find me when/if you are ready to proceed.
hawkeye10
 
  0  
Wed 30 Nov, 2011 11:31 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Judge Carol Ball, after hearing defense attorney Patrick Murphy’s plea for easing the terms of Smith’s bail, sided with prosecutor David Deakin’s argument for leaving bail amount and terms in place.

"Based on the facts of the case, additional charges are probable and in fact quite likely," Deakin told the court, adding that Smith allegedly acknowledged he had traded child porn images online. The prosecutor also said that Smith had traveled to Korea and Malaysia within the past year and the high bail was justified to ensure he didn’t dodge future court proceedings.

"He has no ties to the Commonwealth [of Massachusetts]," Deakin stated, adding that Smith’s "ties to Utah appear to be weakening by the day [and] it appears he has as many ties to Korea and Malaysia as he does [to] Massachusetts


http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53019321-78/smith-massachusetts-court-utah.html.csp

One would hope that prosecutors for the state would not spout nonsense in open court, and that judges would reprimand them if they do, but we cant have that..


Smith can not have both a large enough tie to Korea and Malaysia to want to flee there but also have no ties to there as he has no ties to Mass. Not to mention he has no passport so the the whole idea of him fleeing the country is a flight of fancy to begin with.

The level of BS that persecutors successfully float as they abuse their offices is stunning.
hawkeye10
 
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Wed 30 Nov, 2011 11:36 pm
@hawkeye10,
More glorification of snitches here


Child porn: See something, say something

Quote:
When an Arizona businessman named Kurt Wade turned in Grant Smith, a fellow Delta Air Lines passenger who was allegedly viewing child pornography on a flight from Salt Lake City to Boston last Saturday, Wade was doing more than just the right thing. He was reinforcing the belief - so obviously missing in the recent Penn State scandal - that when the exploitation of children is happening right out in the open, adults must do whatever they can to stop it.

The obligation applies both to outright abuse and to pornography, since the child-porn industry is illegal and deeply exploitive; the usual arguments about the right to view adult porn don’t apply when kids are involved.

The fact that a fellow passenger turned in Smith attests to another reality: Airline travelers continue to be vigilant. “See something, say something’’ means something in the air. The same alertness that protects against terrorism also works against many other serious crimes.

http://bostonglobe.com/opinion/editorials/2011/12/01/child-porn-see-something-say-something/iMv5nmAheIVeKIcLzHfHZI/story.html

Now that we are getting serious about snitch culture lets do it right, there must be a few dozen high level Stasi agents still kicking and available for consulting work.
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