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Man's life Over, Cops Decide He Watched Child Porn in First Class

 
 
firefly
 
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Thu 20 Sep, 2012 05:19 am
@izzythepush,
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What's quite telling is how BillRM has so much personal knowledge of being accused of sex/violent crimes and has innocent explanations for all of them.

His wife gets a restraining order placed on him because she's a drug addict, he gets thrown out of a park for enticing small children over with kittens because it's the only way he can ensure they go to a good home. And now his son-in-law has child porn on his computer, because of the guy next door.


It's also telling that, while he harps on our over-crowded prisons, he never considers that people in those prisons have broken laws. The thought that these people are actually guilty never enters his mind. He's not interested in the crime problem these people represent, or how their crimes affect others, but only in the size and cost of the prisons.

Which is why his dumb solution is to change or get rid of the laws, or stop sending people to prison as a punishment. Yes, that might reduce the size of the prison population, but would it stop crimes, like rape, or drunk driving, or those involving child pornography, that society most definitely has indicated it wants to stop and deter? If harsher penalties aren't effective, why would lesser penalties work? Oh wait, BillRM is only interested in decreasing the prison population, he's not interested in actually trying to stop or deter the unacceptable behaviors. He'd just re-write the laws so these things wouldn't be crimes.

His solution to the drunk driving problem is change the law--by increasing the legal BAC level, so fewer people get arrested. Duh. Sure that would cut down on the number of people going to jail. But, what about the problem of people driving drunk? Well BillRM just doesn't think they are really drunk at a BAC=.08, despite all factual evidence to the contrary. And the ones who are really drunk, by his standards, should get fined, or maybe, community service. If you want to drive drunk, you've got good old BillRM on your side.

Similarly, he doesn't support anything more than a slap on the wrist for possession and distribution of child pornography because he thinks it's a victim less crime, even though it's those who seek out, and possess, and share, those pornographic images who keep the production of child pornography thriving, and who contribute directly to the continuing sexual exploitation and abuse of children in the process. Without the consumers, who create the demand, you don't have the industry. The fact that viewing these illegal images of child abuse re-victimizes the child, both by a violation of their privacy, as well as by a further sexual exploitation of the child, really doesn't concern him. BillRM likes pornography, so all pornography is all right with him. As long as it enhances masturbation and provides sexual gratification, other values don't matter to him. He'll even tell you how to hide child porn on your computer so the government can't find it. If you want to collect and share child pornography, you've got good old BillRM on your side.

In BillRM's mind, the only true victims of crime are those who get arrested for breaking the laws because they have to shell out a lot of money to pay their lawyers. His heart really bleeds for the people who have to pay the high fees of their criminal defense attorneys.

And, poor BillRM is always the innocent victim--his ex-wife lied when she got an Order of Protection against him, although he never showed up in court to defend himself against her charge of domestic abuse--and the people in the park, who were concerned about his using kittens to interact with children, and wanted him out of there, because he was using a lure commonly employed by pedophiles, were unjustly targeting him, and discriminating against him, simply because he was male.

We should really let someone who thinks like BillRM write our laws, and address our prison problem, shouldn't we? It's like putting the fox in charge of the chicken coop.

BillRM
 
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Thu 20 Sep, 2012 05:43 am
@firefly,
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Simply requiring the defense expert to view the evidence in a secure government location does not deny the defense access. And that was what the court ruled.
The state does not always have to provide a copy of the material to the defense--but they must make the material available to the defense experts for examination at a secure government location.


Of course it is so must easier to fly a top expert in the field across the country with equipments and paid for his or her stay of a few days then to ship a hard drive to his or her lab!!!!

Does not interfere a bit with the right of a defendant to have a fair trial and all for the low low low low low likelihood that the expert is going to be making copies for his or her own enjoyment and or releasing the material out on the net.

Materias for the most part that is already out on the net free for anyone who wish it and are willing to break the law to download in a few minutes.

As for all the law harsh and silly degree of punishments in the US is not controlling this to any great degree.

BillRM
 
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Thu 20 Sep, 2012 05:52 am
@firefly,
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It's also telling that, while he harps on our over-crowded prisons, he never considers that people in those prisons have broken laws. The thought that these people are actually guilty never enters his mind


So the countries such as the homeland of our friend Izzy who does not have such harsh degrees of punishments for breaking laws in such areas as drugs or CP and have only ten percents of our prison population is overrun with drugs or CP compare to the US?

Other then to make you and your like happy what benefits do we get as a society for sending people to jail for having CP for longer periods of times often then for raping a child?

Somehow having a picture of a crime does not rate a greater punishment then doing the crime in my judgment!!!!!!!
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BillRM
 
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Thu 20 Sep, 2012 06:21 am
@firefly,
Not to mention the craziness of making it a serous crime to have a sexual picture of a partner those it is completely legal to have sex with him or her just not to have a picture.

Somehow I know Firefly you do not care but I prefer to have the laws have some commonsense to them and not be used as a weapon to harm the very people they was sold to the public as protecting.
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firefly
 
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Thu 20 Sep, 2012 06:54 am
@BillRM,
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Does not interfere a bit with the right of a defendant to have a fair trial..

You are making a baseless argument. Evidence in criminal cases must be protected, and courts support that. Courts also support having the evidence examined only in secure locations, and they have ruled that this does not prevent access by the defense.

In some cases, exceptions must be made to avoid hindering the defense, and that was how the court ruled in the case you posted. The prosecution didn't want to comply, so they forfeited their case.

You are so dumb, you don't realize that that particular case defeats your entire case about people not getting fair trials. That case was adjudicated so fairly it resulted in a dismissal of the charges.

That case, if anything, indicates how fair the process is--it didn't permit anything that would interfere with the defendant's right to a fair trial.

Thanks for posting a child pornography case that shows just how fully the defendant's right to a fair trial is protected in our justice system.


BillRM
 
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Thu 20 Sep, 2012 07:03 am
This is the kind of **** that Firefly seems to approve of laws that not only are insanely harsh for adults but are being used to harm the members of the group that the laws are claiming to be protecting.

One wonder what percent of the below population of teenagers Firefly would wish to send to prison under these laws.

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A 2011 study conducted by MTV and the Associated Press found that 15 percent of the 14 to 24-year-olds surveyed sent naked photos or videos of themselves to others, 33 percent received texts or online messages with sexual words and 21 percent had received naked pictures or videos from others



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http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/article/195191/8/Two-teens-arrested-for-sexting-

Brooksville, Florida - Two teenagers were arrested today for sexting a photo of a bare breast.

A 15 year old boy was taken into custody after he told a school resource officer he forwarded a cell phone picture he received last December of a young girl's breast, the sheriff's office said. He said another student at Hernando High School had threatened to do him harm, after learning of the photo.

The girl herself was also charged, after admitting she took a picture of herself in the mirror wearing underwear and exposing a breast, and sending it to the boy, according to the arrest affidavit.

Both were charged with transmission of pornography by electronic device, processed at the Hernando County Jail and released into the custody of their parents.
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firefly
 
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Thu 20 Sep, 2012 07:09 am
@BillRM,
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Materias for the most part that is already out on the net free for anyone who wish it and are willing to break the law to download in a few minutes.

That says it all, BillRM--for anyone who wish it and are willing to break the law.

If you're willing to break the law, you suffer the current penalties of the law.

Stop romantizing the child pornography laws and penalties in the U.K.--they are considerably harsher than you think they are. They have added all sorts of sentencing enhancements to child pornography possession violations that you seem unaware of--and those are putting more people into jail in the U.K.
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/h_to_k/indecent_photographs_of_children/#a10

And, until Congress changes the U.S. sentencing guidelines on child pornography violations, judges will continue to disregard them when they feel they are inappropriate, or defendants will be stuck with them. And nothing you say here will change that--no matter how many times you repeat the same thing.

If you're willing to break the law, you suffer the current penalties of the law.

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
BillRM
 
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Thu 20 Sep, 2012 07:10 am
@firefly,
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You are making a baseless argument. Evidence in criminal cases must be protected, and courts support that. Courts also support having the evidence examined only in secure locations, and they have ruled that this does not prevent access by the defense.


Strange is it not DNA samples in murder trials can be send to labs across the country for the defense experts to look at but for some reason a copy of a hard drive can not be!!!!!!!

Send the clone copy encrypted and there is no way it could fall into improper hands even if send by normal US mail and as it is a copy unlike objects that might contain crime DNA so there is no fear of losing evidence.

It is just another indication of the wish to interfere as must as possible with the rights of someone charge with CP crimes to having a fair trial.
firefly
 
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Thu 20 Sep, 2012 07:14 am
@BillRM,
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BillRM
 
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Thu 20 Sep, 2012 07:16 am
@firefly,
Sorry dear the laws and the punishments for breaking them should made some logical sense and should in some manner benefit the society more then they harm the society.

Saying it the law so it does not matter if it make any sense or not just obey it is not enough in a so call free society.

firefly
 
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Thu 20 Sep, 2012 07:23 am
@BillRM,
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]Saying it the law so it does not matter if it make any sense or not just obey it..

The child pornography laws seem to make sense to everyone but you..If you don't want to suffer any penalties, don't create, download, possess, or share it.

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
BillRM
 
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Thu 20 Sep, 2012 07:27 am
@firefly,
Have no come back at all but a cartoon for my posting explaining as to why there is no security problems of any kind with sending a clone encrypted copy of a hard drive even by normal US mail unlike others kinds of crimes evidences that are allow to be transported to crime labs for the purpose of examination?

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BillRM
 
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Thu 20 Sep, 2012 07:40 am
@firefly,
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The child pornography laws seem to make sense to everyone but you


So you are under the impression that most adults would support dragging teenagers off to jail for the 'crime' of sending a picture of one of their bare breast to the others?

Or sentencing someone for longer for having materials showing a rape then doing the rape in the first place?

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If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.


Interesting idea if a little bit simple minded as for example the insanely harsh drugs laws in New York State put into placed many decades ago by then government Rockefeller in the late 60s did not seems to serve any useful purpose and cost the state many billions and greatly harm the underclass with special note of the black community.

Laws and punishments under them Firefly should make sense and have some useful purpose other then to make a sadist person such as yourself happy.
firefly
 
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Thu 20 Sep, 2012 09:30 am
@BillRM,
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So you are under the impression that most adults would support dragging teenagers off to jail for the 'crime' of sending a picture of one of their bare breast to the others?

Was that teen in fact sent to jail? Was she even formally charged?

You are confusing the law itself with a D.A.'s judgment in when to apply the law. But sloppy thinking has always been your style.

Just because that teen sent a photo of herself does not mean she didn't violate a law in her state.

You seem to have the view that obeying laws is an arbitrary matter. So, if they don't make sense to you, or you choose to interpret/misinterpret them so they don't apply to you, or more likely, if you think you won't get caught, or can weasel out of it if you do get caught, you'll disregard the law. Well, BillRM, those crowded prisons are filled with folks who think just like you.

I really suggest you stop addressing your comments to me. You're at odds with most of the civilized world, including the U.K,, when it comes to the need for child pornography possession/distribution laws, and the emotions generated toward those who violate those laws. I don't wonder that the child pornography, and drunk driving, and rape, laws don't "make sense" to you--you don't share the moral views of most of society. Most of us have some concern for the welfare and well being of others, beside concern for those who violate the laws. You apparently don't share that concern for the welfare and well being of others, particularly when it conflicts with self-interest. Nor do you apparently share the same notions of right from wrong those laws are based on.

So, I suggest you stop pretending that you're not at odds with most of the world on these matters, and stop the idiocy of using me as your straw-man.
BillRM
 
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Thu 20 Sep, 2012 09:59 am
@firefly,
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Was that teen in fact sent to jail? Was she even formally charged?


According to the new story they was arrested and placed in jail cells and then afterward released to their parent so yes they was jail.

No information on the outcome or whether they was formally charge later, however you do not need to be formally charge for such an event to be harmful to children for the rest of thier lives.

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Just because that teen sent a photo of herself does not mean she didn't violate a law in her state.


Of course she broke the law and that is one reason that such laws are insane as written and end up harming the very group they was suppose to protect.

Using a law sold to the public as a mean of protecting children to harm children may turn you on but I question if it turn on most adults.

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You're at odds with most of the civilized world, including the U.K,, when it comes to the need for child pornography possession/distribution laws, and the emotions generated toward those who violate those laws.


[Strange claims that I am at odd with the UK citizens in this matter as I am a supporter of the current UK laws and have no real problem with adults being punish for having such materials just not at the insane degree as we do under US law and I do not support having such laws applying to children willingly taking pictures of themselves.

Oh yes emotions are wonderful when it come to personal relationships but it is not a good idea to throw logic out the window when dealing with a detastful crime and therefore ending up doing more harm then good.

Something is very very wrong when the politicians had used that distast to have the punsihments for having pictures of children being sexually harm being at least in some cases greater then the punishment for doing the harm in the first place.

firefly
 
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Thu 20 Sep, 2012 10:45 am
@BillRM,
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No information on the outcome or whether they was formally charge later, however you do not need to be formally charge for such an event to be harmful to children for the rest of thier lives.

A minor sending out pictures of her own bare breasts, or even more revealing photos, is also something that can prove harmful to her for an indefinite period of time. What winds up on the internet will never disappear. And private electronic communications and exchanges don't always remain private.

And the D.A. may have wanted to use this case to stop such activity among minors. And you have no idea if formal charges were ever made.
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Of course she broke the law...

Then the arrest was legally justified. And it will help to inform other minors that this sort of activity is not legal.

And this arrest does not make the law "insane"--it simply means you don't think the law should be applied in this instance. That D.A. disagrees with you, for some reason, and you don't even know what that reason is. But, the law itself is not made "insane" by these arrests.

Also, implicit in what you are saying, is your view that minors should be free to send such images, and pass them along to others, and maybe even have them wind up on the internet, even if they violate laws in the process. I'm not sure that most people would agree with your tacit approval of minors doing that sort of thing. Minors can do all sorts of dumb things with electronic devices--including giving out too much personal info, or sending or sharing photos that reveal too much--that can harm them in the long run, and that can have unexpected consequences . A NY congressman had to resign because of his bad judgment regarding the photos of himself he sent out. A minor who sends an overly revealing photo to a boyfriend, might not be thrilled to find that photo circulating through her high school, or posted somewhere on the internet, and herself the butt of all sorts of comments. Sometimes minors have to be protected from their own bad or impulsive judgment.

Without knowing exactly why that D.A. chose to make arrests in this case, I wouldn't comment on the propriety or impropriety of the arrests. You're fool enough to do that, I'm not.

Minors have to know that the laws apply to them too.
BillRM
 
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Thu 20 Sep, 2012 10:49 am
@firefly,
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A minor sending out pictures of her own bare breasts, or even more revealing photos, is also something that can prove harmful to her for an indefinite period of time.


So the solution to that possible harm in the future is to harm her and the young men now!!!!!!!!!!!

Your normal level of thinking.

Second I can see some level of punsishment if the young man did release those pictures widely but no punishment for her and no punishment for a teenage boyfriend who get those pictures and did not released them.

The harm to her by a boyfriend who released such pictures is similar to if she had sex with him and he ran his mouth afterward.

If you are talking about having the picture floating around the net unless she have remarkable breasts or other charaxcters it is likely to disappear in an ocean of similar and illegal pictures and with no way to ID her with the picture either.

I can also see having talks with the students over why it is a very bad idea to send such pictures even to this week love of her or his life but not throwing them in a jail cell.

Only you would think that would be a helpful manner of handling the situation.
firefly
 
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Thu 20 Sep, 2012 10:50 am
@BillRM,
You've acknowledged that the minor violated the law. The laws apply to minors.

I repeat, without knowing exactly why that D.A. chose to make arrests in this case, I wouldn't comment on the propriety or impropriety of the arrests. You're fool enough to do that, I'm not.

BillRM
 
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Thu 20 Sep, 2012 11:16 am
@firefly,
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You've acknowledged that the minor violated the law. The laws apply to minors


LOL and my posting was to show an example of how stupid and harmful such laws happen to be with specail note of when they are apply to a minor.

Some states had already written exceptions into their CP laws for cases of minors sharing with minors so there is no reason or need to have such a law applying to minors for the reasons I had already given.

You love it when the law harm even children out of all scale to the misdeed.
firefly
 
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Thu 20 Sep, 2012 11:57 am
@BillRM,
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You love it when the law harm even children out of all scale to the misdeed.

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