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Two weeks into Occupy Wall Street protests, movement is at a crossroads

 
 
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jan, 2012 06:39 pm
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jan, 2012 07:06 pm
Things seem to be getting crazy in Oakland today.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/20073032
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jan, 2012 08:36 pm
It seems that OPD are working on pubic relations by arresting over a thousand protesters as I write this post, I am curious how this ends.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2012 06:43 am
@reasoning logic,
Excellent!
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2012 01:15 pm
@H2O MAN,
If you thought that was excellent then wait to you understand the politics behind the OPD human relations.
I hope you don't mind if federal tax dollars go to solving their problems.


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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2012 02:17 pm
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2012 03:11 pm


Occutards to the moon!
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2012 02:41 pm
Quote:
What Could a Weekend of Violence Mean for the Occupy Movement?
(Megan Gibson, Time.com, January 30, 2012)

After a quiet start to the new year, a weekend of Occupy protests has resulted in hundreds of arrests in Oakland and accusations of police violence in London.

The American arm of the disputes began on Saturday afternoon, when Occupy Oakland protesters reportedly began dissembling construction barricades surrounding an empty convention center, with the intention of occupying the building. The Oakland police are no strangers to confrontation; they were widely lambasted for their enforcement tactics against the group in October. But according to a statement issued by the Oakland police, this weekend’s events saw the police as the targeted group, as officers were “pelted with bottles, metal pipes, rocks, spray cans, improvised explosive devices and burning flares.” After refusing to disperse at the police force’s demand, the crowd of protesters was subjected to tear gas.

But the clash carried on when, a few hours later, City Hall was broken into and vandalized, according to officials. “Once again, a violent splinter group of the Occupy movement is engaging in violent actions against Oakland,” mayor Jean Quan said in a statement. “The Bay Area Occupy Movement has got to stop using Oakland as their playground.”

The mayhem resulted in anywhere from 200 to 400 arrests and the injury of at least three police officers. The Occupy Oakland movement responded to the police reports in its own statement, with a measure of condemnation for the city: “With all the problems in our city, should preventing activists from putting a vacant building to better use be their highest priority? Was it worth the hundreds of thousands of dollars they spent?”

Meanwhile, things were heating up across the pond. While the Occupy London movement has mostly been centered at St. Paul’s Cathedral near the London Stock Exchange, satellite groups set up camp in Finsbury Square and a vacant office block owned by UBS, known to protesters as the Bank of Ideas. And it was in the Bank of Ideas, an informal educational center for the movement, where things kicked off just after midnight on Sunday night. Surprisingly, it was the eviction of dozens of protesters that was the easy part. After the Occupiers had been removed from the building, protesters alleged that one bailiff assaulted a photographer before driving a car through the crowd. Scotland Yard has since announced that one bailiff has been arrested due to charges of assault.

While the strife in London was markedly different from the clash in Oakland, it was worrying for those protesters awaiting their fate over at St. Paul’s, who imagined glimpses of the possible future. The movement’s media team said that the late-night eviction and violence did “raise great concerns for Occupy London as it begins a week in which its Occupy London Stock Exchange occupation by St. Paul’s faces eviction.”

And it’s looking increasingly like they might have something to be concerned about. After a court ruled that the St. Paul’s protesters could be legally evicted by the City of London from the church property, the group has been planning appeals and negotiating with cathedral officials to find a way to stay or at least keep a presence in the area. St. Paul’s had even offered to allow the Occupy movement to keep a long-term exhibit or stand on the grounds, so long as the camp cleared out their tents from the area. But past resistance from the movement has led the the City of London to take the hardline, refusing any compromise. “The time for talking has gone,” a spokesman told the Guardian. The remaining questions is, has the time for a sweeping — and possibly violent — eviction entered in its place?
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2012 11:25 pm
A tale of two cities.

Oakland:
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2012/0130/Weekend-violence-in-Oakland-Is-Occupy-movement-back-or-broken-video

Washigton, DC:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/occupy-dc-prepares-for-park-service-deadline/2012/01/30/gIQAyojdcQ_story.html

Whatever. It ain't over til it's over.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2012 11:27 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Hey, Andy, how did you know I'm now reading that classic? LOL
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2012 11:28 pm
@cicerone imposter,
ESP, Tak, pure and complex. Laughing
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2012 11:55 pm
It was the best of times; it was the worst of times, c.i.

Quote:
In North Carolina, meanwhile, Charlotte-Mecklenburg police waded into the Occupy Charlotte protest site Monday afternoon, arresting at least seven people and dismantling the campground that the group had established last fall.

Capt. Jeff Estes had given Occupy Charlotte's members "one final warning" to take down their tents and comply with an order he had given for the first time almost eight hours earlier.

Police were acting to comply with a new city ordinance that went into effect at midnight, prohibiting groups from camping on city-owned property.

In preparation for the Sept. 3 Democratic National Convention, the Charlotte City Council on Jan. 23 approved ordinances that give police more power to stop and search people during the convention and to arrest people living or sleeping on public property.

Across the country, cities have been enforcing existing ordinances, or passing new anti-camping rules, to clear out Occupy protesters.

Charlotte has said its changes protect the First Amendment, though the American Civil Liberties Union has said some of the measures go too far, including giving police power to arrest people carrying backpacks or coolers if they believe the items are being used to carry weapons.

Large protests — and some violence — have been common at political conventions, and Charlotte-Mecklenburg police say they are trying to ensure they have enough power to keep people and property safe.


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2017380028_occupy31.html

H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2012 05:56 am


Who knew liberals were a bunch of NIMBY's ... god bless them for their spontaneity.
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Fido
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2012 06:20 am
@Lustig Andrei,
Lustig Andrei wrote:

It was the best of times; it was the worst of times, c.i.

Quote:
In North Carolina, meanwhile, Charlotte-Mecklenburg police waded into the Occupy Charlotte protest site Monday afternoon, arresting at least seven people and dismantling the campground that the group had established last fall.

Capt. Jeff Estes had given Occupy Charlotte's members "one final warning" to take down their tents and comply with an order he had given for the first time almost eight hours earlier.

Police were acting to comply with a new city ordinance that went into effect at midnight, prohibiting groups from camping on city-owned property.

In preparation for the Sept. 3 Democratic National Convention, the Charlotte City Council on Jan. 23 approved ordinances that give police more power to stop and search people during the convention and to arrest people living or sleeping on public property.

Across the country, cities have been enforcing existing ordinances, or passing new anti-camping rules, to clear out Occupy protesters.

Charlotte has said its changes protect the First Amendment, though the American Civil Liberties Union has said some of the measures go too far, including giving police power to arrest people carrying backpacks or coolers if they believe the items are being used to carry weapons.

Large protests — and some violence — have been common at political conventions, and Charlotte-Mecklenburg police say they are trying to ensure they have enough power to keep people and property safe.


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2017380028_occupy31.html


Nothing is going to change until the police show their true colors and cross the moral line... As soon as they hang protestors by the necks from lamposts at intersections we will not have a chance to change anything except our own behavior... They know this, the police know this, and their rich masters know this... They do not want martyrs or masacres... They want to push people off and down the road and hope the poblem gets better on its own... Our problems are in danger of growing a lot worse... Our society is a house of cards, complete with lights and dazzle, but nothing else that really works... All dream machine and no dream, unless people are willing to die for it, and we have sacrificed enough...
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2012 07:20 am
@Fido,
Fido wrote:




Nothing is going to change until the police show their true colors and cross the moral line...


The so called 'protestors' have shown their true colors and they've crossed the moral line long ago... they deserve what's coming to them.

Sturgis
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2012 10:44 am
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
The so called 'protestors' have shown their true colors and they've crossed the moral line long ago... they deserve what's coming to them




You mean 4 more years of the robot?

I still say the most hysterical protesters were the "commuter" to Occupy Wall Street, who drove in daily, and the "really committed" man who said that it was winter, they'd take off until spring. (he didn't explain how he'd survive until then or what he would be doing, if he'd be making plans, contacting people on the Internet about future rallies or just scratching his ass and watching Sesame Street).

The idea of the protest was good, it would have been better if they'd known what they were there for. The majority seem to have no idea. It is apparently just a way to protest and have a handy large group already assembled.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2012 01:24 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
The irony of the police dismantling of occupy groups is that they are destroying the very people who are fighting for the middle class - and them.



H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2012 01:50 pm
@cicerone imposter,


Ci, if that's what you really believe then you should know that you have been duped by Occutards.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2012 01:54 pm
@H2O MAN,
watertard, Why do you keep making a fool of yourself? Does it take a lot of effort on your part?
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2012 01:58 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

watertard, Why do you keep making a fool of yourself? Does it take a lot of effort on your part?


Naw. He comes by it quite naturally.
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