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Two weeks into Occupy Wall Street protests, movement is at a crossroads

 
 
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 04:05 pm
@H2O MAN,
Be Church of England I suppose?
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 05:05 pm
How U.S. Lost Out on iPhone Work

From the NYT. Extremely interesting. The export of middle class jobs is not just about cheap labor (and dismal working conditions).
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Fido
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jan, 2012 08:01 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:



Thieving libtards!

Protesters sleeping inside NYC church get the boot from pastor after holy vessel disappears from altar
At least he has some one to blame the theft on, though to follow their leader, they would give not only until it hurt, but until there was nothing left to give... If I were a christian, I would know that all who came to me were my brthers and sisters, and rather than they having nothing and feeling envy, I could save us both from sin by sharing all.... Let me see that pastor explain that action to Jesus, hung beside thieves, and likely considered a thief on account of his attack on the money changers...

The churches belong to the people, and if you accept christianity, they belong to the poor... Jesus did not come alone for the rich... If you believe the actions of the early church, poverty was expected, and wealth was punished... For any church to put its wealth before the comfort of the poor only shows how far they have strayed from the path of their master...

Consider; that not all the excluded were guilty of any crime, and even that one who stole their wealth should be forgiven rather than driven out... Clearly, the churches have made it their business to punish rather than to protect the people and they judge who only God should judge... They teach people properly to hate the established church, the church of the establishment which stand with the rich against the people, and that manipulate the government to act against liberty and justice... The people should trash that church, and all churches...

Religion should be free, and the people should be free of the religious... Do a public service or get out of the business...Remember the master came for humanity, and service to him is service to humanity...
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jan, 2012 08:26 am
@Fido,

At least he knows for sure that it's liberals responsible for the theft.

OW Libtards should do America a favor, go home, shower and get a job.
Fido
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jan, 2012 11:49 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:


At least he knows for sure that it's liberals responsible for the theft.

OW Libtards should do America a favor, go home, shower and get a job.
The should steal a job from some one who already has one; and that will make everything better... Ya??? Bullshit... They set out to create the world we live in... They forced women into the work place all the time knowing that would lower wages... They invited illegals into our work force knowing it would destroy working conditions and lower wages... They paid less taxes knowing working people would pay more and always increased the downward pressure on wages... They replaced working people with machines and robots, and forced more and more people into dead end, low paying jobs which did not even pay enough taxes to support elementary government services...

Across the board, more people are living in poverty and our standard of living has fallen... Sure; people should just get a job... They should forget their morals and forget responsible social conduct, and all become capitalists... That is a job that is always over filled, where the pressure is always on to fly, or to fold... Even there, in business, there is no path to success not already rutted by big feet... One walmart can put a whole town of small businessmen out on the street... Sure; they can do it better... When does business doing it better ever translate into the working class doing better???...

We have invested our lives into making America great so that our employers and their banks could sell us out over seas... How far is some one supposed to go for a job??? To China??? To India; or simply to hell, and hell they have helped to create just by believing in capitalism...Capitalism is a dead end, in trouble around the world because the only way it can work at all and deliver at all on its promises is on borrowed money, loaned by the few to the many that the many can only pay back if flush times... It does not work, and never really has... Government debt once used to rescue capitalism has been used everywhere just to keep capitalism off death row... What now water boy??? What is your cure for systemic failure other than blaming the victims...
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Fido
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jan, 2012 11:50 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:


At least he knows for sure that it's liberals responsible for the theft.

OW Libtards should do America a favor, go home, shower and get a job.
There is not a preacher or priest in any church in the world that does not live by theft or fraud... Who are they to point the finger at anyone???...
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jan, 2012 03:34 pm


Much like their ruler in the White House, these liberal Occufools are a huge failure.
Fido
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jan, 2012 04:25 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:



Much like their ruler in the White House, these liberal Occufools are a huge failure.
Let me know when you get to be a succes... I want to be just like you- Never.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jan, 2012 04:29 pm
@Fido,
waterboy named himself aptly; he drowns in his own increment.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jan, 2012 04:31 pm
@cicerone imposter,


Ci is drowning in his own excrement
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jan, 2012 04:32 pm
@Fido,
You are a winner Fido, and everyone loves you just the way you are - Never change.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jan, 2012 04:32 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
he drowns in his own increment.

Increment? Is that, like, internal excrement?
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jan, 2012 04:33 pm
@hingehead,
Ci is known as pissboy in some circles
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jan, 2012 04:35 pm
@hingehead,
Something along those lines; every post he makes just adds to his ignorance, and he doesn't realize it himself. Like a pile of shite; worthless nothings.

ooops, I think shite has some value.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jan, 2012 04:37 pm


Ci is wallowing in a massive and ever growing pile of his own excrement here.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jan, 2012 02:45 pm
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Planning can prevent violations of free assembly at political conventions
(By Gene Policinski, FirstAmendmentCenter.org, January 20, 2012)

As the 2012 presidential primary season reaches full speed, let’s pause on the politics for a moment and look ahead to the national Republican and Democratic conventions with the First Amendment in mind.

Republicans will meet the week of Aug. 27 in Tampa, Fla. Democrats huddle the week of Sept. 3 in Charlotte, N.C. Each convention will, without a doubt, attract not only a deluge of delegates but also thousands of protesters aiming to be seen and heard on a variety of issues and viewpoints. For the record, that’s the First Amendment in action, with all five freedoms — religion, speech, press, assembly and petition — likely to be engaged or discussed intensely over both weeks.

Since at least 2000, hundreds of mass arrests have occurred during both parties’ conventions, sweeping up protesters, working journalists and even some bystanders. All too often those arrests ultimately brought no charges. As a result, many claimed that police were acting more to silence critics and preserve decorum than to safeguard citizens.

This time around, let’s include a little First Amendment planning right from the start. As it happens, there are lessons to be learned from lawsuits stemming from the 2008 conventions, some just reaching their conclusion. Then there are the ongoing lessons in dealing with public demonstrations involving the Occupy movement and, earlier, tea party gatherings and marches.

One simple but very important item for early discussion is how to exclude journalists from arrests at unruly demonstrations. News reporters and photographers are the public’s representatives, the means for the rest of us to track how discordant voices are accommodated amid carefully planned convention activities.

The prevailing tactic of “overwhelming force” in some early police actions against Occupy demonstrators in several cities backfired when journalists who were obviously reporting on the events were arrested and their arrests had to be voided. Alternatively, attempts to keep journalists blocks away from demonstrations prevented arrests but stifled news coverage.

Another concern: News reports say Tampa and Charlotte taxpayers will be insulated from having to pay for later lawsuit settlements over improper arrests of demonstrators. It’s a relatively new and insidious practice of providing special legal-liability insurance to convention cities.

While local officials pledge in advance to respect such civil rights, such policies effectively offer a tempting carte blanche to “arrest first, sort later” when it comes to respecting First Amendment rights.

In 2008, during the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minn., a reported 600 people were arrested. According to a local magazine, city officials had required party officials to purchase a policy covering up to $10 million in settlement cash. In December, St. Paul and Minneapolis police departments and the U.S. Secret Service settled for $100,000 a lawsuit brought by a TV reporter and two producers who were among about 40 journalists arrested while covering protests outside the convention center.

In Denver, where Democrats met, city leaders also provided “protest insurance.” The Denver Post reported that the primary lawsuit stemming from convention arrests was resolved in October 2011. The settlement provided for about $200,000 in total to be apportioned among eight original plaintiffs, including $20 each to 80-plus others who joined the class-action lawsuit. The settlement also required the police department in future situations to warn protesters that they must leave before arrests began, and to have legal justification for taking demonstrators into custody.

Yes, there likely will be circumstances in which arrests of protesters are warranted. After a chaotic, violent situation, police — and ultimately courts — will have to make decisions on whether someone was caught up improperly in a wave of arrests.

But balancing First Amendment rights with public safety and security concerns through a clear, fair policy determined and publicized well in advance ought to be a primary goal now for convention planners and municipal authorities, not a late-summer afterthought.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jan, 2012 02:56 pm
@wandeljw,



Time to stock up on pepper spray
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jan, 2012 06:23 pm
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jan, 2012 06:26 pm
@H2O MAN,
Quote:

Time to stock up on pepper spray


Just how many cans do you think you need in your purse?
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